Spoilers Star Trek: Strange New Worlds 2x05 - "Charades"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Strange New Worlds' started by Commander Richard, Jul 11, 2023.

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  1. Scrooge Magoo

    Scrooge Magoo Fleet Admiral Premium Member

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    You're more patient and forgiving of the meretricious vacuity of PIC III than I was willing to be, but...what am I saying? Most of humanity is more patient than I am.
     
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  3. Kraig

    Kraig Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Her husband certainly is behaving like a Vulcan Richard.
     
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  4. Tuskin38

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    Been that way since TOS. Watch Amok Time.

    But what about talking to people who have met her?

    Humour is a difficult concept. Live a little.
    It's trying to be like TOS. TOS had comedy.

    A majority of people (here at least) enjoyed the episode.
     
  5. eschaton

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    I have to say the bacon "joke" was the one thing that really rankled me in this episode.

    Yeah, I get it...All Our Yesterdays already established that Spock has a hankering for meat if he's in a situation where his Vulcan mental conditioning is (for whatever reason) thrown out the window. But he seemed genuinely upset there. Here he was all "bacon, yum!" without a second thought. Like there was some universal understanding among the viewing audience that bacon was this irresistible, awesome thing.

    Not to harsh on it if it's your thing, but I've been a vegetarian since 13 and a vegan since I was 17 (44 now) and no, past maybe the first few months, I never got tempted by the smell of bacon once. The first few years it seemed actively disgusting, and now it just seems like non food.

    I'll admit that I don't even remember liking it much as a child. Eating it yes, doused with lots of ketchup, but I don't think I ever thought of it as something special.
     
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  6. josiephine

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    you can grill vegetables
     
  7. Unique

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    There is, and it is.
    <plants flag>
    I’ll die on this hill.
     
  8. Jedi Marso

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    Everything is better with bacon.

    But particularly black coffee. Don't know why, but my coffee tastes roughly 1000% better when I take a sip after a bite of bacon. There is some alchemy there that my taste buds just latch onto like a xenomorph face-hugger. :vulcan:
     
  9. El Maestro

    El Maestro Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Not every piece of media content will speak to or reflect the experience of every person watching it. You are vegan by choice and that is your right but your chosen media is not responsible for reflecting that choice and the logic behind it. Your experience is not universal and it highly unlikely the writers intended to offend vegans with the scene.
     
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  10. Unique

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    I’m sure the salt helps. I always put a pinch of salt in my coffee grounds; it makes a massive difference. Neutralizes the acidity for a smooooooth cup of joe.
     
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  11. Doctorossi

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    I think I'm with you here. I don't have any issue with the idea of Spock being attracted by the smell- that's beside the point. Spock is a vegetarian for moral and logical reasons. Suddenly becoming human might make maintaining that a little more difficult to do, but he's not going to just freely toss it aside like a hat that no longer fits.
     
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  12. Doctorossi

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    I don't think eschaton is asking for it to; I think eschaton is asking that it reflect the character of Spock.
     
  13. Scrooge Magoo

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    Oh, Spock's character is being represented just fine. The bacon thing helped establish his loss of discipline - as someone said, he needed to learn to control his impulses. So he's doing things that are unwise or misguided or just wrong in various ways, and giving in to a new appetite and craving for a forbidden food is just one.

    They could have gone for it and had him get himself properly drunk and out of control the way human adolescents sometimes do - stupid, dangerous and common. I imagine that was a choice entertained and discarded somewhere along the way.
     
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    Spock as a full human is no longer constrained by Vulcan dietary or ethical concerns or biological impulses so him diving face first into a pile of freshly-cooked bacon is totally fine and believable. Sure, there's a level of "modern audiences will think this is cool and funny because most people in 2023 like bacon and there are a million memes about it" but Hell, "The Way to Eden(TOS)" was a direct appeal to young viewers in 1969 who sympathized with or at least had a basic understanding of the hippie movement. All Trek has content deliberately designed to appeal to the audience tastes of the year in which it's released.

    Plus, human Spock freed from the constraints of a lifetime of Vulcan discipline.
     
  15. Unique

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    Spock was also ready to violently assault a fellow officer over a couple of dishes sitting on a table, easily as much of a stretch for his character as delightedly stuffing himself with bacon.
     
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  16. vulcancicada

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    Perhaps he was under the influence of illogical human neurotransmitters or hormones. It did seem like he was...high.
     
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    Okmyx Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    hmmmm, bacon, or brussel sprouts?

    Even if I suddenly became veggie or even vegan, there's no way I'm eating brussel sprouts. Ever. So I can understand the angst people have with Spock's bacon scene. However, it is an amusing scene in and of itself. And that is all that matters in the context of this episode.
     
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  18. Tallguy

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    Universal enough. See also "chocolate" and "coffee".

    @TerryTrek how is "battle ax mother in law" feminism? That's about as feminist as I Love Lucy or The Flintstones.

    Also you're forgetting "Chapel saved by selfless hero pilot man guy."
     
  19. Charles Phipps

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    I mean, it's almost certainly synthetic synthesized or replicated meat. So it's not an ethical choice on Spock's part,

    This is also probably an establishment that Pike is a goddamn genius at BBQ and seasoning.
     
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  20. Santa Kang

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    My read was not everyone like bacon and he doesn’t like bacon so he didn’t like the fact Spock went all bacon is great.
    Liking bacon is a popular comedy trope.
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