Honestly? The how of failure interests me far more than just praising the successes. The original Star Trek was considered a failure. I've read tons of books and had hours of conversation on the subject.
Spoilers STAR TREK: SECTION 31 - Grading & Discussion
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Honestly? The how of failure interests me far more than just praising the successes. The original Star Trek was considered a failure. I've read tons of books and had hours of conversation on the subject.
Beating the dead horse allows certain elements of the internet to believe they have achieved a victory.
Congratulations to the victors.
This^^
There's a lot to discuss about how a disaster like this ended up happening, because it takes a massive amount of production level failure.
And that's especially important given the same people behind this failure are in part likely now producing Starfleet: Academy.
And shun every opposing viewpoint out of their insulated echo chambers. Thus I stay away from twitters and reddits.
Edited: maybe they are but they're marching orders will be different on a series over moving from a series to film.
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Some. Unfortunately.
There are numerous executive producers that are credited on both S31 and Academy, including Olatunde Osunsanmi who is a turrible driector IMO.
The problem is knowing who contributes what, because Kurtzman Trek has dozens of producers listed on every project, and obviously only some of them are making actual decisions. Many are basically just getting paid, like Rod.
Credited on both (so far, SFA will undoubtedly add more as time goes on):
Olatunde Osunsanmi
Alex Kurtzman
Jenny Lumet
Rod Roddenberry
John Weber
Frank Siracusa
Trevor Roth
Aaron Baiers
Edited to add: These producers were all officially announced via the official website.
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How much of that is “guess work” by IMDb/wikipedia?
Nielsen released their streaming ratings for the week this came out, and Section 31 makes the top ten, which is not easy to do for a movie without a theatrical release, especially one that is not on Netflix.
trekmovie.com
I'm glad it did well!
‘Star Trek: Section 31’ Ranks On Nielsen’s Top 10 Streaming Chart
The first streaming movie in the franchise got some viewers.
trekmovie.com
I'm glad it did well!
That is immensely encouraging and hopefully will result in what I call the "Venom effect". Vemon really was a mid-level effort that was only saved by the performance of Tom Hardy, yet it was popular enough to spawn a trilogy. I hope that this shows the people at Paramount Plus that the straight to streaming format is a worthwhile format to follow up on, even if it's not Section 31 itself. And there are a lot of other options to explore in the Star Trek universe. That said, I wouldn't object to returning to the Section 31 world if the writing were up to snuff this time around.Nielsen released their streaming ratings for the week this came out, and Section 31 makes the top ten, which is not easy to do for a movie without a theatrical release, especially one that is not on Netflix.
‘Star Trek: Section 31’ Ranks On Nielsen’s Top 10 Streaming Chart
The first streaming movie in the franchise got some viewers.
I'm glad it did well!
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My feelings exactly.
I liked Section 31, though I can't deny there was room for improvement. But once it became such an over-the-top punching bag, I was really hoping they'd have enough legitimate success with the numbers to justify attempting to get another Trek streaming film greenlit, whenever all the Paramount drama settles down.
170m minutes really isn't doing well.Nielsen released their streaming ratings for the week this came out, and Section 31 makes the top ten, which is not easy to do for a movie without a theatrical release, especially one that is not on Netflix.
‘Star Trek: Section 31’ Ranks On Nielsen’s Top 10 Streaming Chart
The first streaming movie in the franchise got some viewers.
I'm glad it did well!
For comparisons sake, that's 100m minutes less then the season finale of Discovery at 4-8x times the production cost.
None of it. The producers listed were all announced on startrek.com
Where have you found streaming numbers released by episode?
Uhm, they're actually right there in the article that you posted. Look at the graphic next to the number 8.
But that article also states that Section 31 was only available to be watched for 3 days during the week in question and would therefore not be indicative of its entire first week of release.
For contrast lets look at SNW
Eugene Roddenberry
Trevor Roth
Jenny Lumet
Frank Siracusa
John Weber
Aaron Baiers
Heather Kadin
Henry Alonso Myers
Akiva Goldsman
Alex Kurtzman
And SFA once again
Noga Landau
Gaia Violo
Olatunde Osunsanmi
Alex Kurtzman
Jenny Lumet
Rod Roddenberry
John Weber
Frank Siracusa
Trevor Roth
Aaron Baiers
I assume that the names in italic will be doing the heavy lifting as was true in SNW. Kurtzman is Co-showrunner, so he might be doing some lifting as well.
Osunsanmi wasn't listed as an EP in the original announcement, but does show up in later ones.
Eugene Roddenberry
Trevor Roth
Jenny Lumet
Frank Siracusa
John Weber
Aaron Baiers
Heather Kadin
Henry Alonso Myers
Akiva Goldsman
Alex Kurtzman
And SFA once again
Noga Landau
Gaia Violo
Olatunde Osunsanmi
Alex Kurtzman
Jenny Lumet
Rod Roddenberry
John Weber
Frank Siracusa
Trevor Roth
Aaron Baiers
I assume that the names in italic will be doing the heavy lifting as was true in SNW. Kurtzman is Co-showrunner, so he might be doing some lifting as well.
Osunsanmi wasn't listed as an EP in the original announcement, but does show up in later ones.
Oh, what I meant was, the other commenter was saying the Section 31 movie streaming numbers were not good, because they didn't compare favorably to the streaming numbers for the series finale of Discovery.
But I've never seen streaming series numbers released per episode. The Nielsen streaming numbers are per week, which doesn't reflect viewing of only the newest episode. Any earlier episodes being streaming that week are included in those tallies as well.
I was thinking they had probably confused weekly data with episode-specific data. I just wanted to make sure I wasn't missing some source of per-episode data before pointing that out.
Because Discovery in total is around like 3,500 minutes of content.
So you can't really compare total-minutes-streamed counts on that, to the 90 total minutes of the Section 31 movie. That's why movies and TV are listed seperately and not compared to each other.
(and of course that's setting aside that we have no insight into the metric that really matters to P+: do they believe Section 31 drove sign-ups or subscriber retention?)
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I specified the season finale of Discovery...
And the numbers were on the Neilson streaming chart, 269m minutes from May 27th to June 2nd.
Yeah, so, like I thought, you have confused episode data and week data. It's not 269m minutes for just the finale, it's 269m for any episodes of Disco streamed that week. Obviously, a lot of that is the finale itself. But at the end of a season, that's including all the viewers who waited to binge the whole season all at once. And at the end of a series, there will also be people doing rewatches of previous seasons driving that tally up further.
So it makes no sense to take this week of data on 65 episodes, and these 3 days of data on one movie, and then use it to make any sort of direct comparison between the cost of just the finale episode itself and the movie. Series and streaming movies, fundamentally different animals. There's a reason Nielsen tracks them separately.
And in terms of future prospects, there's also the fact that the Section 31 movie budget was absorbing all the costs of the many failed attempts to develop it as a series, which a subsequent Trek streaming film (presumably) would not have.
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You cannot spin those Neilson numbers as positive. 170m minutes is less than 2 million viewers across a 90min movie. So an average of 1.889m viewers. If you go to the Nielsen site and filter by “Overall”, it’s not even on the list!
That's it for Star Trek streaming movies.
That's it for Star Trek streaming movies.
