Spoilers STAR TREK: SECTION 31 - Grading & Discussion

[oktay]

Negan was a high point in TWD. The problem was they decided to keep him around and humanize him. I will get around to watching the little mini series one day. I fully expect to see Negan and Maggie to eventually zombie mambo. Probably whilst inebriated. ?

There will be a second season of 8 episodes in that TV show. And the new TWD TV series's are pulling in $13.5 million per episode (The Ones Who Live was also mentioned in the leaked shooting documents.) This means a total of $82-105 million per season by the way.

 

[oktay]

It doesn't make me feel good to want it dead for 10-15 years. I'm getting old bro. ? If I waited that long for new GOOD Trek I would not live long enough to get nostalgic for that Trek... ?

Dude, you know Trek isn't going to die, right? Trek is one of the most popular niche brands, of course one day Paramount or another company will mess with Trek. Whether it's a 'cinema film' or a 'TV series', Hollywood will deal with this.

But you know If it does end I won't lose any sleep over it. I have 3 seasons of TOS, 7 TNG, 7 DS9, 7 Voyager, 4 Enterprise and 10 films and Picard Season 1-3 all within The Roddenberry/Berman era. (Yes I consider Picard 1-3 in those eras since it didn't really overlap with SNW or Disco.) ST: the animated series.

By the way, I watched all the productions you mentioned, 1-2 episodes a day. I watched the movies the same way and finished them.

 

[Dar70]

Dude, you know Trek isn't going to die, right? Trek is one of the most popular niche brands, of course one day Paramount or another company will mess with Trek. Whether it's a 'cinema film' or a 'TV series', Hollywood will deal with this.



By the way, I watched all the productions you mentioned, 1-2 episodes a day. I watched the movies the same way and finished them.

Haha. ? Yeah I know its not going to end. Again wishful thinking on my part. But I do hope the current era ends sooner rather than later. I'm glad you watched all of them and in order. ? In around 5 years time you will want to do it again and you may even enjoy it MORE the second time around. They are mostly SO GOOD. DS9 is a high point for me. With one of it's episodes being one of my all time favorite hours of Trek ever. ?

 

[Tosk]

How many TOS references or story did we get with Disco?. Mirror universe, Guardian of Forever, Pike and the Talosians etc. all in the first season I think. Heck they even used a clip from TOS and said previously on Star Trek... ?

All of those except the MU were second season or later. The Enterprise shows up in the last moments of the season one finale.

 

[HauntRod]

No worse than the shows before??? We all know there are continuity errors in Trek....but yes it is worse than what we saw before imnsho. ?

If people like it they can hope for it to continue. That is their right. I just hope it doesn't.

Yep. No worse than the shows that came before. If you can accept that there's a visual retcon, it's absolutely no worse.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Yep. No worse than the shows that came before. If you can accept that there's a visual retcon, it's absolutely no worse.

Thats just it. The berman era kept the tos visual history pretty much intact. They had no problem with it. For some reason these newer shows do.

 

[The Gatekeeper]

the only reason they filmed in L.A. was because Patrick Stewart wanted to be able to go home every night.

And even then, Patrick Stewart was still willing to consider filming in Toronto. He even went there in the summer of 2018 to tour the studio where Disco was filmed and met with the Disco cast before making his decision to film in LA.

My point? Just reinforcing the fact that any future live action Trek series will be filmed in Toronto. I mean hell, even Lower Decks and Prodigy were produced in Canada. Picard aside, there hasn't been a Trek production produced in the US since STID in 2013.

 

[Tiran O'Saurus]

That is "true" in the most superficial sense of the word. They may have never actively changed what a TOS thing looked like, but they ignored and minimized as much of that era as they could. We saw the TOS Constitution I believe three times over the course of decades: Relics, Trials And Tribble-ations, and In A Mirror Darkly. If you're making a full show in that era, you need to make some changes so it doesn't look stupid.

 

[The Gatekeeper]

The berman era kept the tos vidual history oretty mych intact. They had no problem with it.

The only reason the Berman era kept "TOS visual history intact" because it was convenient for them, and by necessity. In Relics the original plan was to pull the movie bridge out of storage until someone learned of a fan recreation of the TOS bridge and they figured "what the hell." Trials and Tribble-Ations they had no choice in the matter since they were splicing the DS9 actors into TOS footage and so they had to make it look as seamless as possible. In a Mirror Darkly is the only time they made a conscious choice to go back to the TOS aesthetic, and it should be noted that was in the season known as The Year of the Wank.

 

[fireproof78]

People here always try new episodes and new shows. What they end up liking is what they like.

But, Section 31 is considered anathema to Trek.

Are the odds really in favor of liking it? Seems like a desire to be proved right that it's bad and wasting precious time on something supposedly hated.

 

[HauntRod]

Thats just it. The berman era kept the tos vidual history oretty mych intact. They had no problem with it. For some reason these newer shows do.

Luckily, Star Trek isn't a period piece. If you're making a modern series that's set in the future, audiences expect it to actually look futuristic.

As much as I absolutely love TOS, it doesn't look futuristic. It looks like something made.... in the 60s.

Enterprise can't be discarded either. The tech in SNW actually looks like an evolution of what we saw on the NX-01.

Hell, even the ships look like an actual evolution of design when placed next to eachother in the same scale.

 

[Dar70]

Luckily, Star Trek isn't a period piece. If you're making a modern series that's set in the future, audiences expect it to actually look futuristic.

As much as I absolutely love TOS, it doesn't look futuristic. It looks like something made.... in the 60s.

Enterprise can't be discarded either. The tech in SNW actually looks like an evolution of what we saw on the NX-01.

Hell, even the ships look like an actual evolution of design when placed next to eachother in the same scale.

I like the SNW Enterprise but like Tron I think that they could have kept the original aesthetic of the exterior of the ship intact. With updated lighting and they could have easily put blue light on the nacelles. There is a video out there that shows the TOS-E with updated lighting and it 109% looks like it could fit in with today's aesthetics. No one is saying it has to look 100% like TOS. I just wish they would not have doubled the size of the shp and put all those windows in there.

 

[Dar70]

Yep. No worse than the shows that came before. If you can accept that there's a visual retcon, it's absolutely no worse.

Eh. Not really. Major story changes bother me..Some visual stuff does as well but not nearly as story.

 

[Tomalak]

The TrekBBS equivalent of Godwin's Law is that any thread allowed to run long enough will turn into an argument about the SNW Enterprise and visual continuity.

 

[King Bob!]

No I cannot turn it off. It's there. Except for the kids cartoons I have seen all Trek. Im a viewing completist. Even if it freaking tortures me. ?

I used to have this attitude, and thirty years ago it made sense. Now? There’s just too much interesting TV out there to waste time with Trek if it is on a road I’m not interested in.

 

[Pindar]

I mean it was an average sc-fi movie. It was a terrible Star Trek film though.

I gave it a kind 5 as I liked bits of it - mainly the garbage ship and the tiny little Irish Vulcan.

It looked like they wanted to make a Star Wars film. Half the fight were just missing light sabres.

Why were there so many fights?

 

[King Bob!]

I mean it was an average sc-fi movie.

It was an Asylum film with a budget.

 

[Daedalus]

I like the SNW Enterprise but like Tron I think that they could have kept the original aesthetic of the exterior of the ship intact. With updated lighting and they could have easily put blue light on the nacelles. There is a video out there that shows the TOS-E with updated lighting and it 109% looks like it could fit in with today's aesthetics. No one is saying it has to look 100% like TOS. I just wish they would not have doubled the size of the shp and put all those windows in there.

I don't think the size bothers me much these days. There's enough evidence that the ship is all over the place in size, I just don't care to think about it. It'll never really be a uniform size, no matter how hard you try. The SNW version suffers from the same thing, if you analyse it close enough, and even JJ's version to an extent.

 

[HauntRod]

It was an Asylum film with a budget.

Best description I've heard.

 

[TRON JA307020]

Luckily, Star Trek isn't a period piece. If you're making a modern series that's set in the future, audiences expect it to actually look futuristic.

As much as I absolutely love TOS, it doesn't look futuristic. It looks like something made.... in the 60s.

Enterprise can't be discarded either. The tech in SNW actually looks like an evolution of what we saw on the NX-01.

Hell, even the ships look like an actual evolution of design when placed next to eachother in the same scale.

Enterprise already had the TOS style ship in the episide "In A Mirror Darkly". It worked great. They even updated the console and view screen graaphics. It looked much more advanced than the NX ships.