Here's another quote "I don't know why you are all going to watch Section 31 even though you think you won't like it".
People here always try new episodes and new shows. What they end up liking is what they like.
Spoilers STAR TREK: SECTION 31 - Grading & Discussion
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People here always try new episodes and new shows. What they end up liking is what they like.
I still ask that question.
If it's "not real Trek," and rated so low by various review sites, and told by those in the know "it's a bad film " yet decide to watch it anyway.
Is Trek so valuable that it gets people's attention regardless? That denying this film your attention isn't worthwhile to actually send a message by not watching it?
If you watch something that you think might be bad, then you're an idiot.
If you don't watch something because the reviews are bad, you're a sheep.
Apparently.
Right. They created their own canon problems by going to the past to tell stories. A decade just before tos. Why? Yeah SNW is better but is still creating a lot of canon problems. Sometimes I dont think the people creating this new stuff are actual star trek fans. There is no longer a phaser beam. Its more like the star wars blaster bolts. No more view screen just big windows with a built in overlay. Lots of other things but it is what it is now.
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Yeah, that still belongs to Nemesis.
This is not how things work. Sets are always the first to be ordered to be struck once a production is over, unless it's something special like the Enterprise-D Bridge re-creation. Storing sets is expensive, and Paramount is hurting for cash.
This is patently false, but keep dreaming, I guess.
Who says those people are deciding to watch it?
Its patently false? Yeah its not. Just looking at the STD klingons it was obvious they were out to change everything. Look at the discovery itself. More advanced than the 1701 and the D. They were obviously not interested in canon at all or what came before. They didn't care. Thats why its all falling apart now.
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Robert Wise, Harold Livingston, and Harold Michelson are not tru-fans. Just looking at the TMP Klingons it was obvious they were out to change everything. Look at the Enterprise itself. More advanced than the 1701. They were obviously not interested in canon at all or what came before. They didn't care. That's why it's all falling apart now.
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
Nah, it very much is.
I guess Gene Roddenberry must not have been much of a Trek fan back in the 70's when he changed nearly everything about the Klingons.
Besides the spore drive? Not really. I don't recall the ship doing anything that the other ships couldn't do. Does it look more advanced? I don't think so. There's tbe obvious modernized visual retcon, but that's been talked about a thousand times over.
Except for all the times they obviously cared.
It is? Season 3 of SNW is due to air any month now. 4th season about to start production. Season 1 of Academy about to finish filming, with a second season due to start in the summer. We've been told they have other things in early stages. I dunno.... doesn’t seem like much is falling apart.
It turns out in retrospect that 'Early Instalment Weirdness' lasted 13 years for the Klingons.
People have posted here that reviews and such have "changed their mind."
That's an interesting perspective I hadn't considered.
Reviews did change my mind. It was bad movie night in our house and reviews convinced me that Section 31 fit.
They were right.
LOL
This is the most deranged and bipolar review of Section 31 I've seen/read.
Example 1:
- OMG OMG OMG It's so cool that they are honoring Michelle Yeoh's Chinese heritage by incorporating Chinese designs into the Terran Empire design.
- OMG It's so problematic that they are incorporating Chinese design into the Terran Empire design, because it invokes Orientalism.
Example 2:
- OMG OMG OMG It's so cool that Philippa Georgiou is bisexual.
- OMG It's so problematic that is Philippa Georgiou bisexual, because Empress Philippa Georgiou is a depraved character and by making her bisexual, they invoke the depraved bisexual trope.
Example 3:
- OMG OMG OMG Olatunde Osunsanmi is so cool, because he was pushing for diversity on Discovery.
- Olatunde Osunsanmi is a bad director.
Cinematography and fight choreography are bad. Nothing feels clear or given proper weight by the camera. No sense of spatial relationship or scale. Shots have no impact, they feel weightless. The villain gets introduced with a generic medium shot. Constant moving shots that mimic the kinetic energy of JJ Abrams films. Visual feel unmotivated.
This person is obsessed with "current day California shit".
It's problematic that Bo Yeon Kim and Erika Lippoldt are no longer associated with Section 31 because they are two women and one woman of color?
Yeah right, race and gender identity are the most important thing when it comes to writers.
BTW:
Jessie Gender critiques "biological essentialism" in Star Trek, yet is guilty of exactly that.
Jessie Gender likes that Philippa Georgiou is associated with Chinese culture.
That is arguing for that people of Han ethnic descent, no matter where they are in the universe, no matter their upbringing, are associated with Chinese culture.
That is one core aspect of "biological essentialism". People of a certain ethnicity are associated with a specific culture.
Wow. You’ve put a lot of thought into someone you clearly don’t like.
Understatement S31 (dont want to use the full name) is a Disaster.
Instead of just not finishing the video, they watched/read the whole thing and then went to the effort of sharing detailed reasons as to why they didn't like it/disagreed with it.
This seems like a positive to me?
