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Spoilers STAR TREK: SECTION 31 - Grading & Discussion

Rate the movie...

  • 10 - Excellent!

    Votes: 4 1.7%
  • 9

    Votes: 6 2.5%
  • 8

    Votes: 11 4.6%
  • 7

    Votes: 20 8.4%
  • 6

    Votes: 31 13.1%
  • 5

    Votes: 36 15.2%
  • 4

    Votes: 16 6.8%
  • 3

    Votes: 26 11.0%
  • 2

    Votes: 27 11.4%
  • 1 - Terrible!

    Votes: 60 25.3%

  • Total voters
    237
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"It was quite often about people in boardrooms discussing ethics and that's good, it's why we liked it. If you don't like that, don't make Star Trek."

"Dark and violent in the most juvenile grimdark, let's say kind of Zack Snyder way."

Okay, good start, I think I'm going to keep watching this. He seems to agree with me about everything so far and I appreciate that kind of insight and intelligence. Plus we're both drinking tea.
 
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"It was quite often about people in boardrooms discussing ethics and that's good, it's why we liked it. If you don't like that, don't make Star Trek."

"Dark and violent in the most juvenile grimdark, let's say kind of Zack Snyder way."

Okay, good start, I think I'm going to keep watching this. He seems to agree with me about everything so far and I appreciate that kind of insight and intelligence. Plus we're both drinking tea.
Grimdark would have been an
improvement. :lol:
 
I was not going to watch this, at least until SNW S3 dropped. But I had no choice and had to subscribe, to get this out of the way.

- Sound mixing issues 3 minutes in, I can’t hear young Georgiou’s words as she whispers. It was a funny joke whenever someone pointed out the constant whispering on DIS. It’s not funny anymore. Do a better job.

- Can we be real that Empress Sato would use the Hunger Games format as a form of entertainment, and not to select a successor? And there is no reason to think Empress Sato would not be alive when these Hunger Games are going all – she’d be in her 90s during this.

- I’ll admit, this movie did have a chance early on, when Georgiou was listing all of the agents in her bar. Shame it all fell apart shortly thereafter.

- Considering the state of relations between the Federation and the Klingon Empire in this time period, and prime universe Dada Noe’s backstory, and the stakes involved, why was there no Klingon Intelligence liaison in Section 31? Maybe even to meet Melle’s early fate in her place, and allow Melle to make to the second or third act of the film?

- Interesting dynamics seems to be laid early on between Garrett, Quasi and Melle…only for it to get upended and Melle - the cool character - to get vaporized* within the first 30 minute of the movie. And we have 65 minutes left to go.

*I know that there are phasers that can transport others and give the appearance of vaporization. But until proven otherwise, it has to be presumed that Melle got vaporized here and she’s dead.

- The reviews weren’t lying. The mole is obvious from the beginning. Are the characters all stupid?

- As someone who does not complain about shaky cam in movies, this was too much here. Just too much.

- Did the writers forget about “Mirror, Mirror” and “Crossover”. And that in this time period, the Terran Empire is supposed to be reformed by Mirror Spock after a speech from Prime Kirk and that’s what causes it to fall. WTF is this Terran Empire invading the prime universe nonsense? Why TF did they not do that under the reign of Empress Sato to begin with, especially since it would be so much easier back then? And they knew crossing over to the prime universe was possible first?

- Georgiou’s talk about choices with Alok before the Godsend blew could have been with San, frankly.

- “Is this poison?”...technically speaking, alcohol is poison,. So…yeah.

- So they bring back Fuzz, sorry Wisp, who I just do not care for. But Melle and Zeph – the interesting characters – are left dead. And it’s established that Zeph’s mech body can still be controlled by Nanokins despite Zeph being dead. They just left Zeph’s body in the tunnel?

- Considering that this group was a glorified suicide squad, and the stakes of this mission, too many of them survived. Even I realize that Georgiou and Alok should have bit the dust here when the Godsend went off.

- There was a missed opportunity for them to be rescued by the Excelsior or the Ent-B near the end there.

- In a differently produced movie, a Turkana IV name drop would have been exciting. It’s not here.

- Let me get this straight: we spent a whole movie with Garrett’s arc seemingly being someone who likes order and is opposed to murder because Starfleet doesn’t do that to being someone that embraces chaos and murder (“chaos is my friend with benefits” line). And yet we don’t know her backstory as to why Garrett specifically is here at all, despite Georgiou alluding to it. Also there was nothing here that warranted a promotion for Garrett here. Think of how often Kirk and his crew, or Picard and his crew saved the galaxy and did not get promoted for it at all.

- Garrett’s arc is more than what Georgiou got – Georgiou regressed, and everyone gives her a tonguebath at the end of the movie for it.

- This movie badly needed Ash Tyler for Georgiou to play off of. Comedy fell flat every time.

- Even for Kurtzman, this is a horrible characterization of the relationship between Section 31 and Starfleet

  • Into Darkness – blowback from radicalizing an unstable war criminal. Starfleet (re: the crew of the Enterprise) is left to fix it.
  • DIS – blowback after becoming a vehicle for a genocidal A.I. due to their compartmentalization and amorality. Starfleet (re: the crew of the Enterprise) is left to fix it.
  • PIC – blowback from their secret program during the Dominion War nearly ends the Federation. Starfleet (re: the crew of the Enterprise) is left to fix it.
  • In this movie, the group is rehabilitated from the start and no blowback for their actions. Starfleet (re: the crew of the Enterprise) does not have to fix anything.

- This is billed as a tv movie, but it really feels like a tv pilot. It’s evident by its length of 95 minute, instead of taking advantage of the full two hours that a streaming movie could, and that the cutoff into 45-minute-long episodic segment would be when Alok mentions that there is a mole. The problem with this is that even as a tv pilot, it’s meh. There have been better pilots in Star Trek than this - virtually all of them. The only one that’s worse is “The Vulcan Hello”. And that was paired with “The Battle in the Binary Stars”, which combined would have made for a better tv movie than this.

- The only redeemable aspects of this movie are Garrett and Quasi, the mirror universe segments with Georgiou and San, and that Michelle Yeoh can do fight scenes in her 60s. That's it.

Underneath this dreck is a really cool Star Trek story waiting to be told. Too bad no one wanted to make that. 0/10
 
You’re still missing the point of what execs are looking for in terms of bankability.
How so? If Foxx is still getting all these projects, where he is headlining or co-starring, how is that Hollywood saying he's not bankable?
 
Buzz. After it dies down, Foxx may again be "more successful"

Currently Yeoh is involved in a couple of high profile projects: Avatar and Wicked. Plus a TV project with a recognizable title: Blade Runner.

Foxx's upcoming work is a little more low profile: All-Star Weekend, GeeChee and Tin Soldier. Two of which are produced by him. So he's creating work for himself. Which is a good thing,
I think the idea of buzz is subjective in this case (and also how buzz equates to success). Yeoh is in high-profile and successful work too, but how often is she the face of it compared to Foxx? Foxx being part of something is used to sell it more than Yeoh often is, though of course adding Yeoh does up the prestige and cool factor.

Does her win give Yeoh more buzz than Margot Robbie, or even still Jennifer Lawrence? What about Syndey Sweeney, Zendaya, or Florence Pugh? By this logic, Yeoh has more buzz than all of these actresses. Zoe Saldana is a bigger star in the Avatar movies, headlines Lioness, and is in the award hunt right now, so does that give her bigger buzz?
 
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I think the idea of buzz is subjective in this case (and also how buzz equates to success). Yeoh is in high-profile and successful work too, but how often is she the face of it compared to Foxx? Foxx being part of something is used to sell it more than Yeoh often is, though of course adding Yeoh does up the prestige and cool factor.

Does her win give Yeoh more buzz than Margot Robbie, or even still Jennifer Lawrence? What about Syndey Sweeney, Zendaya, or Florence Pugh? By this logic, Yeoh has more buzz than all of these actresses. Zoe Saldana is a bigger star in the Avatar movies, headlines Lioness, and is in the award hunt right now, so does that give her bigger buzz?
Yeoh has buzz because she won an Academy Award in in 2023. You can put "Academy Award Winner" on the publicity. If Saldana gets the win, she gets the buzz.
 
Generally reminder that Hollywood is extraordinarily disconnected from reality.

The actual chain of events behind it would have been something like.

Michelle Yeoh wins various Hollywood back patting awards that a significant portion of Hollywood believes are an accurate representation of popular opinion. Because of that various Network Executives believe Michelle Yeoh is someone people will show up to see no matter the quality of the movie. A bidding war begins between studios to bring Michelle Yeoh into various projects. Then a bunch of compromises have to be made about those various projects because Michelle Yeoh is now too busy to do them in full. Instead of just saying "well if you can't do it as designed we just won't make it" the Network Executives go "because Michelle Yeoh is so loved even if the movie isn't good people will show up to see it".
 
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I just finished watching it (I would've watched it earlier than today but I heard it was really really bad so I wasn't in any rush to watch it since I had other DVRd shows to catch up on) and I just want to say, I don't consider it a Star Trek movie. I don't consider it a long Trek 1-off episode. I don't consider it as anything whatsoever. It needs to be erased from existence forever and ever. This was an absolute embarrassment to the Star Trek franchise and it makes Star Trek V: The Final Frontier look like a damn masterpiece. Alex Kurtzman needs to be fired for this travesty.
 
I just finished watching it (I would've watched it earlier than today but I heard it was really really bad so I wasn't in any rush to watch it since I had other DVRd shows to catch up on) and I just want to say, I don't consider it a Star Trek movie. I don't consider it a long Trek 1-off episode. I don't consider it as anything whatsoever. It needs to be erased from existence forever and ever. This was an absolute embarrassment to the Star Trek franchise and it makes Star Trek V: The Final Frontier look like a damn masterpiece. Alex Kurtzman needs to be fired for this travesty.
It's hardly a fireable offence.
 
Yeoh has buzz because she won an Academy Award in in 2023. You can put "Academy Award Winner" on the publicity. If Saldana gets the win, she gets the buzz.
I don't think that winning awards (or being nominated even) means you have automatic buzz. It definitely classes up a project to have an Academy Award winner involved, but that doesn't necessarily equate to creating excitement about a star. I think Sweeney, for example, has a lot of buzz right now without an award.
 
I generously gave it a 3. Anyone who gets motion sickness should AVOID this thing. Probably the worst-written, directed Trek program I've ever seen. The crew taking turns "insulting" each other was beyond cringe worthy.
 
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