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STAR TREK: REBOOTED FOR THE WRONG REASONS

A thirty-four year old captain, commanding one of the biggest ships in a fleet?
I don't think that Kirk's Enterprise was the biggest ship in the fleet (or the flagship). Both Gene Roddenberry's novelization of TMP and Franz Joseph's blueprints referred to the Enterprise as a "Heavy Cruiser." Heavy Cruisers were medium size cruisers with medium size guns and powerful torpedo armaments, designed for long range and high speed. Usual not the biggest ship in any fleet.
 
I love that they did Star Trek XI it breathes new life into the franchise don't you think. I love the original series as well.
 
I don't think that Kirk's Enterprise was the biggest ship in the fleet (or the flagship).

Gee, that's too bad.

We were never shown or given any indication that a larger, more powerful or faster ship than the Enterprise existed anywhere in the fleet. On at least one occasion, "Tomorrow Is Yesterday," Kirk referred to the ship with considerable pride as follows:

CHRISTOPHER: Must have taken quite a lot
to build a ship like this.

KIRK: There are only 12 like it in the fleet.


Even if one concedes the possibility of a larger ship somewhere that doesn't mitigate the unlikely nonsense of so young a man achieving the rank of Captain and being put in command of so sophisticated and desirable a command as the Enterprise - and testament to how coveted such a billet is and what a remarkable vessel a starship like Kirk's is was referenced over and over again in the original series.
 
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11. Different character. Chekov is 22 in 2266, this character was 17 in 2258. Which even in Trek's convoluted timeline makes him a completely different character.

Same character. He's still the Ensign Pavel Chekov from Russia, navigator for the Starship Enterprise. Except this time he's useful.

Isn't it possible that in this new reality, Mr. and Mrs. Chekov had two sons and named the second son Pavel? Whereas in the other reality as we all know, they had only one son, who they named Pavel. Who's to say that these people all have 100% the same DNA as the folks in the other reality who have the same names? Might explain the differences in looks - they're siblings rather than the originals. ;)

Which doesn't necessarily mean their original universe siblings exist. Could just be a case of conception occurring a minute or two before or after it "should" have. A small bump in the space-time continuum, and someone pops out looking a bit different, maybe even with a somewhat different personality even if the upbringing is pretty much the same. I'd be surprised if you could mess with things and not have incidents like that.
 
Yup, yet another blogger with an ax to grind about the new movie as usual::rolleyes:

Of all the holies in the geek realm, Star Trek was a major pillar of geek culture. Before George Lucas combined the works of Frank Herbert, J.R.R. Tokein and Akira Kurosawa to create Star Wars, geeks pored over the original Trek episodes with the fine tooth combs of their intellect, piecing together the facts and events to create a history and time line, a canon that was adhered to strictly. Books and fanfic expanded on the original, three-year run, conventions were created and attended. The minutiae of the Trek universe were obsessively cataloged and dwelled upon by fans the world over. You weren't any kind of a Trek fan if you didn't know that Zefram Cochrane of Alpha Centauri was the inventor of warp drive, that Kirk was from Iowa, that Scotty was an "old Aberdeen pub crawler," that Mark Lenard, who'd played Spock's father Saarek in the second season episode "Journey to Babel," had also played the Romulan commander in the first season episode "Balance of Terror." It was this familiarity that became the foundations of early geek subculture.

But that familiarity is completely gone now. They've turned Trek into something sexy, edgy, flawed and totally unfamiliar, using the brand name to make it something marketable to a new generation. The movie relies on the fact that geeks the world over have made these characters pop culture icons, yet does everything it can to change them from what the geeks know and love. While this isn't the first time in the Trek universe that this has happened, it's a definitive event. The geeks can't blame J.J. Abrams for the breaking of the trust, but they can blame him for making it impossible to go back.

STAR TREK: REBOOTED FOR THE WRONG REASONS

One of the reasons why, as one poster said, J.J. Abrams & Co. had better only make about three or four films and then leave before their names are blasted online while three sheets to the wind, and why I still have the same signature at the bottom I've always had:
Ok folks, we're tilting at windmills here. This arguement is getting old...and stale. J.J. and company got the characters right, he made the single engine starships cool...(to borrow a phrase, "light years ahead of anything else...including the the big "E" herself.") At least Starships are now driven by some sort of thrust instead of "double talk generators".

Beyond that, we lost 40 years of story/history to a couple of hack writers. The devil is in the details...ship's interior, fork lifts, blimp hangars, breweries, "I" beams and bridge rivits. Stolen special effects from Star Wars...etc-etc. I have been in film since the days of cine 8 and here to tell ya, his camera work is at best... amaturish.

And for this he gets lauded for saving Star Trek. (Boy are we in trouble.)

My arguements will never be excepted by the "new wave" Trekkies. (They can't even figure out how to spell "new" yet.) Conversely, I will never except their Trek arguements either.

Therefore we need to live with it, good or bad in our respective opinions, and get on with what's next...if anything... End of angry rant...
 
I have been in film since the days of cine 8 and here to tell ya, his camera work is at best... amaturish

You're not actually establishing any credibility at all with that claim.

My arguements will never be excepted by the "new wave" Trekkies. (They can't even spell "new".) Conversely, I will never except their Trek arguements either.

On the other hand, as a very very "old wave" Trek fan I can not only spell "new" but also "amateurish," "argument" and "accept."

I'm pretty happy with the new film, too. :)
 
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Ok folks, we're tilting at windmills here. This arguement is getting old...and stale. J.J. and company got the characters right, he made the single engine starships cool...(to borrow a phrase, "light years ahead of anything else...including the the big "E" herself.") At least Starships are now driven by some sort of thrust instead of "double talk generators".

Right.

Beyond that, we lost 40 years of story/history to a couple of hack writers.
Nope. Maybe you lost 40 years of Trek history, on your merit of course, but I didn't. It's amazing that these supposed "hack writers" have supernatural powers.

The devil is in the details...ship's interior, fork lifts, blimp hangars, breweries, "I" beams and bridge rivits. Stolen special effects from Star Wars...etc-etc. I have been in film since the days of cine 8 and here to tell ya, his camera work is at best... amaturish.
So you "lost 40 years of story" because of cinematography choices that you didn't like?

And for this he gets lauded for saving Star Trek. (Boy are we in trouble.)
We?

My arguements will never be excepted by the "new wave" Trekkies. (They can't even spell "new".) Conversely, I will never except their Trek arguements either.
Oh boy.....
 
Devon,

The "40 years" remark was in reference to all that material/back story that has been built up during that time, and the writers couldn't find anything to write about, even with all that available to draw on.

In theory one could write the story about how the group got together by just using original back story as source material, instead of what we were treated to. Of course it would have lacked the fire works, but hey, that's what Star Wars is for.

Regards,
Chuck
 
Devon,

The "40 years" remark was in reference to all that material/back story that has been built up during that time, and the writers couldn't find anything to write about, even with all that available to draw on.

In theory one could write the story about how the group got together by just using original back story as source material, instead of what we were treated to. Of course it would have lacked the fire works, but hey, that's what Star Wars is for.

Regards,
Chuck
If they were going to use the TOS characters they needed a clean slate. The 40 years of backstory is a bit of a straightjacket. They managed several nods to that backstory though.
 
^"Ex-wife took the whole dang planet in the divorce..."

(Reference to Fandom tradition, as is Riverside Iowa, Winona & George Kirk, etc.)

"...all I got left is my bones...."
 
Wow..But hey, opinions are like assholes..

I have a total NON Trek movie fan that works next to me..20 years old and typical of his generation..

He liked it so much in the theater, he got the Blu-Ray..and loaded the digital copy on his Ipod..he watched it at work during breaks..and couldn't stop talking about the movie..
His friends (according to him) are the same way..
we are getting new fans..who are now interested in the old series..and movies
it's no longer an exclusive club anymore, and I'm very glad to see it..


I liked the new movie..the most important thing to me was a GOOD MOVIE, not adherence to the aspects of "continuity"(AKA Canon as if it's some form of religion or something) after all,even the Original series had continuity issues between the 3 seasons..

It was a nice way to free up the writers, without jettisoning all that went before..

and a good summer blockbuster..



If one doesn't like it, that's fine..keep to your old Trek series and movies..the rest of us will move on..including this TOS First Run fan from September 1966 to today..
 
Devon,

The "40 years" remark was in reference to all that material/back story that has been built up during that time, and the writers couldn't find anything to write about, even with all that available to draw on.

Of course they did, as mentioned above.

In theory one could write the story about how the group got together by just using original back story as source material,
They did.

instead of what we were treated to.
Terrific. :techman:

Of course it would have lacked the fire works,
Or the reason for making it.
 
My arguements will never be excepted by the "new wave" Trekkies. (They can't even figure out how to spell "new" yet.) Conversely, I will never except their Trek arguements either.

:lol: still find this attitude amusing since some of the people i know in person who loved the movie were all fans of first run star trek.
 
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