Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy General Discussion Thread

[fireproof78]

Hmm, I will rewatch "Errand", but I just cannot equate Mirror Georgiou and Kor.
And, I agree about the "our bastard" - that is why we sometimes can (but probably shouldn't) work with bad guys (both in Trek and real life).

As for working with Dukat as an ally - I think the only time we did that was when the Klingons had "illegally" invaded Cardassia playing right into the Dominion's plans. And even then, nobody welcomed Dukat as anything more than a representative of an attacked nation - unless I am forgetting something.

Georgiou wasn't welcomed either. She was an albatross around Burnham's neck, in a very figurative sense.

And even if Kor and Georgiou can't be equated, the Klingons go from an oppressive power to allies, and Kirk is wrong constantly (as presented) for not trusting them. The point of Star Trek is that enemies can become allies, that humans can become better if given the opportunity to grow. Call me hopelessly naïve but I love Georgiou for exactly that reason. I may not trust her, or work with her, but the fact that she is able to come face to face with her past life and realize how fake and fraudulent her relationships were, and how much she has changed is fully in the spirit of Trek for my money.

Yes, Michael should have never worked with Georgiou. But, there emerged a radical change and I'll take that storyline any day.

 

[Ometiklan]

Georgiou wasn't welcomed either. She was an albatross around Burnham's neck, in a very figurative sense.

And even if Kor and Georgiou can't be equated, the Klingons go from an oppressive power to allies, and Kirk is wrong constantly (as presented) for not trusting them. The point of Star Trek is that enemies can become allies, that humans can become better if given the opportunity to grow. Call me hopelessly naïve but I love Georgiou for exactly that reason. I may not trust her, or work with her, but the fact that she is able to come face to face with her past life and realize how fake and fraudulent her relationships were, and how much she has changed is fully in the spirit of Trek for my money.

Yes, Michael should have never worked with Georgiou. But, there emerged a radical change and I'll take that storyline any day.

Yes, Klingons can become allies and Georgiou can become a better person. I like both those storylines and wholeheartedly can endorse more similar ones.

But I never liked the character of Georgiou herself, other than maybe about 10% of her one-liners which succeeded and some of her moments with Burnham where, despite all her vocal claims, she did actually care for Michael and was trying to do some good for her.

I would just like a serialized show like this to actually show the progress the character is supposedly making as we go rather than dumping all the visible changes into the "farewell" episode(s). Was there a point prior to Terra Firma where Georgiou didn't kill or destroy or insult someone by her own choice and not just when she was prevented by other characters? Were there any times where Georgiou didn't do the self-serving act other than occasional help to Michael (who as her pseudo-daughter is largely an extension, legacy/family-wise, of Georgiou herself)? I think maybe she complemented Tilly once, maybe?

 

[fireproof78]

Yes, Klingons can become allies and Georgiou can become a better person. I like both those storylines and wholeheartedly can endorse more similar ones.

But I never liked the character of Georgiou herself, other than maybe about 10% of her one-liners which succeeded and some of her moments with Burnham where, despite all her vocal claims, she did actually care for Michael and was trying to do some good for her.

I would just like a serialized show like this to actually show the progress the character is supposedly making as we go rather than dumping all the visible changes into the "farewell" episode(s). Was there a point prior to Terra Firma where Georgiou didn't kill or destroy or insult someone by her own choice and not just when she was prevented by other characters? Were there any times where Georgiou didn't do the self-serving act other than occasional help to Michael (who as her pseudo-daughter is largely an extension, legacy/family-wise, of Georgiou herself)? I think maybe she complemented Tilly once, maybe?

I never liked Georgiou, Prime or Mirror.

And, yes, she didn't kill or destroy or insult by her own choice. Yes, she could be helpful. But, again, I don't think she is fully redeemed or whatever. I think she is set up to make some huge positive changes. I'll take that.

 

[Ometiklan]

I never liked Georgiou, Prime or Mirror.

And, yes, she didn't kill or destroy or insult by her own choice. Yes, she could be helpful. But, again, I don't think she is fully redeemed or whatever. I think she is set up to make some huge positive changes. I'll take that.

Yeah, I would like to see the rest of her redemption arc. That would be cool. I just don't think the current productions are up for it (short overstuffed serialized seasons, divided up among different writing teams, no clear vision of the end point of these seasons/arcs, pursuing "edgy" things). But we can always hope for the best!

 

[fireproof78]

Yeah, I would like to see the rest of her redemption arc. That would be cool. I just don't think the current productions are up for it (short overstuffed serialized seasons, divided up among different writing teams, no clear vision of the end point of these seasons/arcs, pursuing "edgy" things). But we can always hope for the best!

I mean, I'm happy with what we got. I would love to see the whole arc, and it will depend on who is assigned to write the Section 31 show as to how they take it. But, if "Terra Firma" is any indication I think there is plenty of reason to hope.

 

[Tuskin38]

I mean, I'm happy with what we got. I would love to see the whole arc, and it will depend on who is assigned to write the Section 31 show as to how they take it. But, if "Terra Firma" is any indication I think there is plenty of reason to hope.

Two of the writers of Terra Firma (Bo Yeon Kim & Erika Lippoldt) are the creators of the S31 show.

 

[fireproof78]

Two of the writers of Terra Firma (Bo Yeon Kim & Erika Lippoldt) are the creators of the S31 show.

That's good news.

 

[Isaac Lawrence]

Two of the writers of Terra Firma (Bo Yeon Kim & Erika Lippoldt) are the creators of the S31 show.

Yep, so it should be fine then...

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I liked the Dannus V parts, and Carl was fine. The Mirror stuff whatever, but I liked the Dannus V parts, and Carl was fine.

Really good episodes, though. Among the best of the season, and of the entire series for me.

Michael and Georgiou were at their best together in those episodes, I thought (on Discovery and the Dannus V parts). And Philippa is a work in progress. And hopefully to be continued in a Section 31 show. Because we're not at the finished product yet, there's still more story to be told.

EDIT:
Rather, make that among the best moments of the season, and of the entire series for me.

 

[fireproof78]

The human adventure is just beginning...

I read that somewhere or some nonsense like that.

 

[Nerys Myk]

For what they were dealt they did well enough.

The better choice would have been not to bring back Georgiou at all and do something else with Yeoh but apparently that's just crazy talk or something. Yeoh is valuable or something like that.

Also, Star Trek has done this before with Dukat and Kor. Neither of those characters should be considered admirable yet audiences really glommed on to them, and Kor was brought back as a foil for Worf and with Jadzia. There is a fascination with these darker characters and getting past that is not going to happen, and Star Trek has not tried.

Also, Loki is a great example of this unfortunate effect. I loath that, especially with that line in the first Avengers film. It was so good and then Loki gets treated as the loveable scamp who's up to mischief again *cue laugh track as credits roll*

I think Magneto and Mystique are also good examples. Both were introduced as hardcore villains. Heck, Magneto was pretty much a Nazi with the serial numbers filed off. Both have drifted into antihero territory and chum around with the folks they were quite ready to kill in the past. Emma Frost has also gone "soft" over the years.

 

[CorporalClegg]

Mystique is like my number one favorite.

 

[publiusr]

female lead characters in American animation, for this type of show, is not that common of a thing. Actually, I'm hard pressed to think of anything off the top of my head in American animation.

There was one shining example from Filmation not long after TAS….The Young Sentinels…(Later called THE SPACE SENTINELS).

It deserves rediscovery.

It was Star Trek with superheroes

 

[Christopher]

There was one shining example from Filmation not long after TAS….The Young Sentinels…(Later called THE SPACE SENTINELS).

It deserves rediscovery.

It was Star Trek with superheroes

I rewatched it a few years ago and was unimpressed. Not one of Filmation's better efforts, despite its respectable attempt at inclusiveness. For one thing, it was from the period where the editing of the stock music cues was especially choppy and abrupt, and it wasn't a particularly good musical score to begin with.

 

[publiusr]

One of those things that’s best in memory and not rewatching I suppose. Some interesting concept episodes

 

[Andyliini]

I wonder if they'll somehow get Jonathan Frakes featured in this series as well. He has been featured somehow in every Trek series since The Next Generation.

 

[Christopher]

I wonder if they'll somehow get Jonathan Frakes featured in this series as well. He has been featured somehow in every Trek series since The Next Generation.

Oh, I see, you're counting directing as well as acting. Acting-wise, he hasn't yet appeared in Discovery or Short Treks. For that matter, he hasn't directed a Short Treks episode yet either.

 

[Tuskin38]

https://twitter.com/TrekCore/status/1430961861084725252
John Noble and Jimmi Simpson join the cast

John Noble's voice is actually heard in the trailer.

 

[valkyrie013]

John noble? Has to be the villian!

 

[Christopher]

John noble? Has to be the villian!

Well, his line in the trailer is "No one shall escape!" delivered in a snarling voice, so I'm sure he's playing a kind, saintly character.

 

[Jinn]

"No one shall escape... my kind words encouraging you to follow your dreams! Also, my third cousin once removed is the Edosian dude from that one Lower Decks episode! *evil laughter*"