... and from what I've seen in the teaser/trailer, the lyrics seem to match the overall feeling of the show.I did the same.
Really wouldn't be any worse than using "Faith of the Heart".
(supposedly, Karen was a Trek fan herself)
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Really wouldn't be any worse than using "Faith of the Heart".
(supposedly, Karen was a Trek fan herself)
This is of course all rumor at this point, but among the five rumored adult characters, two of them are doctors. Obviously have no idea what that means, but if it turns out to be the case that's an interesting and different mix.
Also, the Prodigy shop is now up (or it already was, one or the other). Just the normal t-shirts and mugs. The Playmates Toys of course are next year, I guess to coincide with the release on Nickelodeon.
Also, the Prodigy shop is now up (or it already was, one or the other). Just the normal t-shirts and mugs. The Playmates Toys of course are next year, I guess to coincide with the release on Nickelodeon.
feels like with these new shows the list of executive producers gets longer and longer
Alex Kurtzman, Heather Kadin, Katie Krentz, Rod Roddenberry, That Guy That Made That Really Good Reuben At the Deli, The Letter S, My Favorite Old Mixtape, Anyone Related To Gene Roddenberry, and Trevor Roth
Alex Kurtzman, Heather Kadin, Katie Krentz, Rod Roddenberry, That Guy That Made That Really Good Reuben At the Deli, The Letter S, My Favorite Old Mixtape, Anyone Related To Gene Roddenberry, and Trevor Roth
Yeah, it really doesn't take much to get an executive producer credit in Hollywood these days. If you just shared a peanut butter & jelly sandwich with one of these guys as a kid, you'll get an executive producer credit on the newest Star Trek show without even having to actually do anything.
That's the norm for most big-budget shows these days. Expensive shows tend to have multiple production companies as financing partners, and their heads all get EP credits. Plus the EP credit is used for a variety of different roles, including showrunners and high-ranked writing staffers, the head logistical producers in charge of actually making the show, the producing director who gives a season a consistent tone, etc. It's confusing that the same title is used for so many unrelated roles, but basically it means they all get a cut of the profits.
Yeah, television always has tons of executive producers. The showrunners are the bosses of the show though, of course. So Kevin and Dan Hageman... who are also executive producers. 
The show hasn't even aired yet and I'm already thinking of where it can go.
Kate Mulgrew said...
The voice actor for Dal, Brett Gray, said...
So I'm thinking, at the end of the series you can maybe zap these kids back to the Alpha Quadrant and have them enter Starfleet Academy. At least the Dal character, who seems to be lead character of the show. I thought it was going to be the Gwyn character, but they talked to Brett Gray first on the panel, and the first teaser trailer was told from his character's perspective. So I'm guessing he's the lead.
I also didn't realize Nickelodeon had been around so long. It started airing in '79. We got cable in like '82 or '83. I was 12 or so, so I was a little bit past the Nickelodeon target audience, so that why I've never watched anything on Nickelodeon and am surprised that it's been around for as long as it has. I was thinking late 80s or early 90s.
Anyway, yep, always trying to figure out ways that they can do a Starfleet Academy show. So maybe take Dal from Prodigy, and stick him into a Starfleet Academy show with other new characters once Prodigy ends.
Or they can just do a Starfleet Academy show set in the 32nd century and I'll be even more happy that way...
The show hasn't even aired yet and I'm already thinking of where it can go.
Kate Mulgrew said...
The voice actor for Dal, Brett Gray, said...
So I'm thinking, at the end of the series you can maybe zap these kids back to the Alpha Quadrant and have them enter Starfleet Academy. At least the Dal character, who seems to be lead character of the show. I thought it was going to be the Gwyn character, but they talked to Brett Gray first on the panel, and the first teaser trailer was told from his character's perspective. So I'm guessing he's the lead.
I also didn't realize Nickelodeon had been around so long. It started airing in '79. We got cable in like '82 or '83. I was 12 or so, so I was a little bit past the Nickelodeon target audience, so that why I've never watched anything on Nickelodeon and am surprised that it's been around for as long as it has. I was thinking late 80s or early 90s.
Anyway, yep, always trying to figure out ways that they can do a Starfleet Academy show. So maybe take Dal from Prodigy, and stick him into a Starfleet Academy show with other new characters once Prodigy ends.
Or they can just do a Starfleet Academy show set in the 32nd century and I'll be even more happy that way...
Yeah, I had the same expectation. It's disappointing that they're going with the usual default of a male lead for a kids' show. Also Gwyn just looks cooler, like she should be the most important and interesting one.
Getting a strong Titan A.E. vibe from this.
Funny, I'm just the opposite. I'm glad that she doesn't seem to be the lead character, and pleased that it looks to be Dal. And she does look cooler, and I'm not all that crazy about Dal's look, but I liked him a lot in the teaser.
I love the female characters though, Michael Burnham is easily my favorite Star Trek character ever. And Janeway and Georgiou are in the top three of my favorite captains; and I guess Michael will knock Janeway down to number #4 and probably challenge Sisko as my favorite captain now that she's going to be a captain. So Rocket Girl in all likelihood will top two categories with me.
They have a nice balance right now I think, though. Two current series with lead female characters in Discovery and Lower Decks. Then two male leads with Picard and the upcoming Strange New Worlds.
Again, Prodigy looks to have a male lead. So three series to two. Once Picard is over though, and if they go with the Section 31 show, which I hope they do, then it will be three series with a female lead to two with a male lead.
Of course, not everyone will like all of these series, so yeah, I can understand that. Because it's just Discovery and Prodigy, and Strange New Worlds to a lesser extent for me.
I'm guessing Gwyn is going to be a pretty strong co-lead. And this is just going by the "character poster" theory.
Then again, the "character poster" theory does lead one to believe it will be Gwyn.
So yeah, they're probably co-leads... maybe?
Honestly, I didn't see any of them as a "lead" as such and rather an ensemble with everyone equal footing. The teaser does suggest that Dal might be the focus, at least initially, but the teaser is also pretty short so we might just jumping to conclusions.
Those are for different audiences, though. Prodigy is specifically meant for new, young viewers, so the set of shows I'm considering here is not just Star Trek shows, but children's TV shows in general. And I don't think there are enough of those that have female leads. There's still a bias in the industry that marketing to boys is more lucrative. Maybe less so now than there used to be, but it's still there.
I see Gwyn as the lead.
Yes, that's what I mean by lead, the character who is the focal point.
Like Kirk was the focal point in The Original Series. Spock I guess was kind of the "star" of the show for a lot of people (at least he was for me), but Kirk was the focal point of the show. Which all of the captains were. Until Discovery of course, when they switched it to the first officer. And totally different type of storytelling style, and so on and so forth.
I'm guessing Prodigy is going to be serialized too. I'm not feeling like they want to do an episodic style with this, no, it feels like they have a story that want to tell.
Yeah, after I made my post I sort of figured that's what you were talking about. So I understand what you're saying.
I also agree about the marketing aspect. I also imagine that they have data to back up whatever choices they make too. Because very few of these choices are made "just because." No, usually money is the reason. And also what type of show are you trying to do too. Certain type of shows do appeal more to boys than girls, and vice versa.
Going off on a bit of a tangent, and I suspect that's the whole thing behind the diversity push in all forms of entertainment. They only reason it's happening is the changing demographics in this country, not because Hollywood suddenly became concerned about it. No, they see that the money is telling them that they better start doing things that appeal to a broader base of people. Because in this country it's becoming less and less of one group, and more and more of everyone else. And that's unlikely to reverse itself, so they have to change the way that they do things too.
Anyway, again, I understand what you're talking about. And they may be going after more of a male audience with this. Of course, only time will tell.
I don't believe that's really true. It's just the "truth" that toy companies and marketers impose because it's in their interests to define two separate product lines for boys and girls. Leave kids to their own devices and the boys and girls will seek out a lot of the same things.
White : What's an associate producer credit?
Smith : It's what you give to your secretary instead of a raise.
—State and Main (2000)
There’s a lot of truth to that gag.
In Hollywood most producing credits are not official and not sanctioned by the Producers Guild of America. So they are given out like candy in place
of raises. It got so bad that Producers Guild finally tried to draw the line, ergo the only “official” sanctioned Producer credit can be identified by the lowercase p.g.a. after the PGA approved Producer’s name...and there are stringent requirements to get it.
The rest mean whatever a given show chooses it to mean. It’s not in any way standardized even if there are conventions.
Smith : It's what you give to your secretary instead of a raise.
—State and Main (2000)
There’s a lot of truth to that gag.
In Hollywood most producing credits are not official and not sanctioned by the Producers Guild of America. So they are given out like candy in place
of raises. It got so bad that Producers Guild finally tried to draw the line, ergo the only “official” sanctioned Producer credit can be identified by the lowercase p.g.a. after the PGA approved Producer’s name...and there are stringent requirements to get it.
The rest mean whatever a given show chooses it to mean. It’s not in any way standardized even if there are conventions.
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Given what I've seen in the latest trailer for Picard, it seems that Seven is shaping up to be a co-lead in the series.
Yep, I understand that.
Of course, it's not just kids, there's two separate product lines for most things for men and women too.
No, change seems to be really slow on that front though, for what you're talking about, because I guess it does involve kids. And I'm guessing toy companies are being risk averse when it comes to that because of the parents. And so I think for something like that, when it comes to kids, it's going to take a few more generations. Another couple of generations of parents will have to come and go before we reach more of a "non-binary" (for lack of a better term) society.
I do think we'll get there though, the only question is when. Because again, traditional gender roles are still pretty hardwired for most people when it comes to kids, I believe. Obviously once they reach adulthood things are changing quickly. Kids are a different story though, I think.
As for this series, yeah, the next teaser could focus solely on Gwyn and her perspective. But also, yep, female lead characters in American animation, for this type of show, is not that common of a thing. Actually, I'm hard pressed to think of anything off the top of my head in American animation.
In Japanese anime it happens more frequently (a more action-based series with a female lead character), but even there it's not that prevalent. And when it does happen in anime, the target audience is more of a teen to young adult type of thing, and male too, I would say. So it would be asking for maybe a lot for Star Trek to do something like that, and in their first time out, in the kid space.
Now of course after saying that Gwyn will turn out to be the lead character.
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Also just to add, I'm guessing Gwyn will be the Spock to Dal's Kirk.
Yes, I lack imagination, but so what...
Yeah, if the rumored characters are true, then that may not be the case. We shall see, though.
Well, those who want to watch season two shall see. Season one may have been enough me. I believe I may have seen enough. And I didn't particularly care for that character the first time around back in the 90s (to put it politely), and nothing has changed.
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But it was the companies that created that gender segregation in the first place. And it isn't a relic from generations past -- it's younger than I am. When I was a kid in the '70s, there were plenty of toys that were marketed to both boys and girls equally, and that my sister and I played with side-by-side. Some toys, like Legos, I think, even used that as an explicit selling point. It was only in the '80s that toy marketers embraced specialization and rigid separation between boys' toys and girls' toys.
Then there's the custom of color-coding baby clothes and items as blue for boys and pink for girls. That didn't really take off until after WWII, and it was invented by the companies that made the products as a way to increase their sales by convincing people that they had to buy two completely separate sets of clothes and products for boy and girl children rather than using the same ones for both. (Indeed, pre-WWII, pink was actually considered a masculine color because it was a shade of red, and blue a feminine color, though the color coding wasn't pushed as hard by marketers as it was postwar.)
Uhh, Korra? She-Ra? Kim Possible? Carmen Sandiego? They do exist, they're just not quite up to parity with male action leads.
But breaking new ground is what Star Trek is supposed to do. The original series was the first non-anthology science fiction adult drama. The animated series was, at least per Filmation's marketing, the first Saturday morning animated series aimed at adults. TNG was a pioneer in first-run syndicated drama and paved the way for a whole era of syndicated SF/fantasy TV. Similarly, Voyager was the flagship of a new TV network and Discovery the flagship of a new streaming service. Star Trek being a pioneer is nothing new. So it's not asking too much. It's expecting it to live up to its own history.
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