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Spoilers Star Trek: Prodigy General Discussion Thread
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That was a very nice finale. But outside Picard joining the poker table (which was a very nice touch, mind), it maintained the status quo.
I guess for me it connected the characters far more emotionally to those characters than I had ever had before. Unlike the Prodigy crew whom I had a smaller, but still present, emotional connection to the characters.
"What You Leave Behind, Parts I and II(DS9)" was more disruptive and divisive but also very emotionally affecting.
Clip about the character design of Gwyn:
https://intl.startrek.com/videos/creative-team-behind-prodigy-on-gwyn-character-design
The princess vibe one tends to get with Gwyn - in the early episodes people would sometimes refer to the character as princess Leia equivalent when pushing the Star Wars similarities - is at least partially connected to the way the character was designed.
Includes a short sound byte of emmy-award winner Alessandro Taini.
And another clip with more general insights about the design/ look and feel of Prodigy:
https://intl.startrek.com/videos/designing-animation-star-trek-prodigy
Edit: as indicated by NCC-73515 below, the link for the first video was corrrected.
https://intl.startrek.com/videos/creative-team-behind-prodigy-on-gwyn-character-design
The princess vibe one tends to get with Gwyn - in the early episodes people would sometimes refer to the character as princess Leia equivalent when pushing the Star Wars similarities - is at least partially connected to the way the character was designed.
Includes a short sound byte of emmy-award winner Alessandro Taini.
And another clip with more general insights about the design/ look and feel of Prodigy:
https://intl.startrek.com/videos/designing-animation-star-trek-prodigy
Edit: as indicated by NCC-73515 below, the link for the first video was corrrected.
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they're the same
I see, getting the correct link by navigating from within the page is tricky, apparently.
Going directly from Google search results, this should be the correct link for the piece about Gwyn's character design:
https://intl.startrek.com/videos/creative-team-behind-prodigy-on-gwyn-character-design
“Whatever our people’s future holds, will be up to you”
This is what the Diviner said to Gwyn. Was Gwyn cloned for a purpose that we are not yet aware of? If the Diviner knew that he had travelled in to the past why would he clone a daughter to repopulate his race if this was her purpose? The Vau N’Akat still existed in this point of time on a Solum untouched by the future civil war so there was no need for repopulation. This makes it clear that the Diviner had another plan for Gwyn when he constructed her. Did he also construct a male Vau N’akat that we have not been introduced to as of yet? Could Gwyn be programmed by the Diviner in someway with genetic memories or purpose yet to be triggered? A ‘Living Construct’ with the innocence of being born in the past, yet still with the potential to trigger events in the future when ‘activated’?
The Diviner cloned her because he was afraid he wouldn't live long enough to complete his mission of changing the future, not to repopulate Solum.
And at the time he did so (though that was only 3 or so years after he passed through the temporal wormhole and arrived at Tars Lamora, apparently having good reasons to believe he would find the ship there), he seemed to be in very bad health. Gwyn was the insurance that someone would continue the search for the Protostar and be able to use the vessel and the weapon once found, even after the Diviner was gone.
However, he did insist on taking her with him when he left on the Protostar and he had reason to believe he could finish things of himself (indeed, Drednok advises him to leave "his progeny" with the others). I guess he always had the intention to bring her to Solum later, or else he (correctly) thought that one attack on Starfleet wouldn't be enough and the weaponized Protostar had to be a threat for years to come.
In the (non-canon) game Prodigy: supernova, the robot Maddax at one point says to Gwyn that she was created "to carry the shadows inside her". This after Gwyn asked it what Starfleet had done to Solum. Since one of the shows writers was involved in writing the game (though in a sort of editing function), this line had no influence on the plot and outcome of the game (to my knowledge) and they doubled down on it a bit later by having Gwyn asking Dal what that could mean, I thought it may have been connected to the living construct. However, with the living construct gone, it would seem that is not the case.
I wonder if this may be connected to Gwyn seemingly taking on information when the Diviner died. It was such a weird line to put in the game, though maybe it will end up not meaning anything.
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So, this means that Gwyn could still be a part of the Diviners plan. She could be a cloned sleeper agent waiting to be ‘triggered’ a bit like the synth Dahj Asha in Picard, but working for the Diviner and Vau N’akat. Gwyn’s friends may need to help her make the right decision one day, her loyalty to Dal being the deciding factor which prevents her turning to the dark side. She is kind of ‘Star Wars’ based after all?
There's nothing pointed towards that. None of the Diviner's dialogue or the way he treated her.
So, this means that Gwyn could still be a part of the Diviners plan. She could be a cloned sleeper agent waiting to be ‘triggered’ a bit like the synth Dahj Asha in Picard, but working for the Diviner and Vau N’akat. Gwyn’s friends may need to help her make the right decision one day, her loyalty to Dal being the deciding factor which prevents her turning to the dark side. She is kind of ‘Star Wars’ based after all?
Nah.
There's nothing in the show pointing towards something like this, ergo its unlikely.
Gwyn was conceived as a 'backup' in case the Diviner died before he could complete the mission... beyond that, she's not a sleeper agent (and I doubt he would do this to his own daughter).
In fact, Dreadnok was against Gwyn's creation (because it went up against rules of 'The Order')... and he was resisting Gwyn all the way back to Tars Lamora (before she switched sides).
Also, by the time we saw the Diviner dying, he expressed genuine concern for Gwyn as his daughter... and really wanted to help unify Solum (but now that he can't he virtually begged Gwyn to do it in his stead - if she was a sleeper agent, he wouldn't have to make a speech about it in the first place and he wouldn't have shown such fatherly concern for her - well, his experience with Zero certainly 'reset' him a bit and put things into perspective for him I suppose).
I'll third that Gwyn is not a sleeper agent. The Diviner showed all his cards when he asked Gwyn to attempt to unite Solum, as his dying wish.
A question regarding the universal translator: do we think this works on the (main) Vau N'akat language, as of "Supernova" (the S1 finale, not the game)? In "Kobayashi", it wasn't able to translate written Vau N'akat and I don't think it had much, if any, opportunity to learn the language since. Ascencia clearly didn't speak it while undercover and the Diviner also is capable of using "standard" (as he even spoke it with Gwyn on Tars Lamora, most of the time) and likely did so while on the Dauntless. Gwyn also typically seems to speak "standard", as she prefers it and it's also what Dal uses. The only thing that may point to the UT possibly being able to translate spoken Vau N'akat is when the Diviner is delirious, right after being saved by dr Noum and co.
How is the magic translator supposed to work, anyway? If part of its principle is based on a form of mindreading (brainwaves?), then it may have more trouble than usual with Vau N'akat, as those are shown to be highly resistant to telepaths like Zero.
Just wondering if Gwyn may still have use as a translator, and whether or not this would hinder possible Starfleet attempts to monitor Solum (discreetly).
A question regarding the universal translator: do we think this works on the (main) Vau N'akat language, as of "Supernova" (the S1 finale, not the game)? In "Kobayashi", it wasn't able to translate written Vau N'akat and I don't think it had much, if any, opportunity to learn the language since. Ascencia clearly didn't speak it while undercover and the Diviner also is capable of using "standard" (as he even spoke it with Gwyn on Tars Lamora, most of the time) and likely did so while on the Dauntless. Gwyn also typically seems to speak "standard", as she prefers it and it's also what Dal uses. The only thing that may point to the UT possibly being able to translate spoken Vau N'akat is when the Diviner is delirious, right after being saved by dr Noum and co.
How is the magic translator supposed to work, anyway? If part of its principle is based on a form of mindreading (brainwaves?), then it may have more trouble than usual with Vau N'akat, as those are shown to be highly resistant to telepaths like Zero.
Just wondering if Gwyn may still have use as a translator, and whether or not this would hinder possible Starfleet attempts to monitor Solum (discreetly).
Because only Star Wars deals with dark side and light side?So, this means that Gwyn could still be a part of the Diviners plan. She could be a cloned sleeper agent waiting to be ‘triggered’ a bit like the synth Dahj Asha in Picard, but working for the Diviner and Vau N’akat. Gwyn’s friends may need to help her make the right decision one day, her loyalty to Dal being the deciding factor which prevents her turning to the dark side. She is kind of ‘Star Wars’ based after all?
Actually, that one shot of Gwyn at the Denaxy depot in the cold outside and in cold gear... for some reason, THAT particular shot looked like it was taken out of Star Wars.
The only reason people think everything is taken from Star Wars is because Star Wars consists entirely of homages to even earlier things that they haven't seen.
Well didn’t George Lucas come up with the Star Wars storyline by crossing Flash Gordon with the bible?
And Buddhism. And Vietnam. And Joseph Campbell and the "Hero with a 1000 faces"/The Heroes' Journey. And then Dambusters in the final edit of the first film.Well didn’t George Lucas come up with the Star Wars storyline by crossing Flash Gordon with the bible?
ETA: Almost forgot Akira Kurasawa films.
I might watch it one day, but I do not want to be a traitor to Star Trek. People buy me Star Wars presents all the time by accident, it really frustrates me.
The first few episodes of Prodigy were what I would consider to be Star Wars like to begin with, this was a bit off putting to begin with but I soon grew to like it. Eventually, Prodigy kind of morphed in to more of a Star Trek like series. Perhaps it was ‘bait and switch’ for a new audience?
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