STAR TREK: PIKE

[TheQman]

Maybe it's because I haven't seen all of TOS, but I can't really understand the obsession with Pike. He was in a couple of episodes and I didn't really care for his character.

I really don't care what is done for a new show, I will watch it regardless. But, Pike seems a little overrated to me.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Maybe it's because I haven't seen all of TOS, but I can't really understand the obsession with Pike. He was in a couple of episodes and I didn't really care for his character.

I really don't care what is done for a new show, I will watch it regardless. But, Pike seems a little overrated to me.

Yeah, I could see that. But it all goes to my belief that any new show not take place during same time of the movie series. I dont care what anyone else may say, but I believe that having two shows, and the later TNG movies, all taking place at the same time sent a message to the regular movie goer that the movies were just two hour versions of the tv shows. And we fans know that not one of those movies, even FC, was better than some of the best episodes. And two of those TNG movies were not even as good as some of the 'lower rung' episodes. If you're not going to put out a finished product that is better than a TV show with a tenth of a budget AND charge people money to see it, you're movies are going to bomb; they did.

Pike's storyline could take place before the new movie series and explain the nuances of this new universe created by the Narada.

Rob

 

[Captain Pike]

Maybe it's because I haven't seen all of TOS, but I can't really understand the obsession with Pike. He was in a couple of episodes and I didn't really care for his character.

I really don't care what is done for a new show, I will watch it regardless. But, Pike seems a little overrated to me.

 

[RobertScorpio]

Maybe it's because I haven't seen all of TOS, but I can't really understand the obsession with Pike. He was in a couple of episodes and I didn't really care for his character.

I really don't care what is done for a new show, I will watch it regardless. But, Pike seems a little overrated to me.

I should have read this befort it got censored!!!

Rob

 

[TheQman]

Maybe it's because I haven't seen all of TOS, but I can't really understand the obsession with Pike. He was in a couple of episodes and I didn't really care for his character.

I really don't care what is done for a new show, I will watch it regardless. But, Pike seems a little overrated to me.

I am not saying I don't like Pike, I just never really understood his character, maybe I didn't see enough of his background story.

But, I would watch anything, lol

 

[RobertScorpio]

Maybe it's because I haven't seen all of TOS, but I can't really understand the obsession with Pike. He was in a couple of episodes and I didn't really care for his character.

I really don't care what is done for a new show, I will watch it regardless. But, Pike seems a little overrated to me.

I am not saying I don't like Pike, I just never really understood his character, maybe I didn't see enough of his background story.

But, I would watch anything, lol

Well...thats one. All I need to do is convince all the others!!! LOL...

I hope they don't even do a new show, not yet. Let the new movie series live on its own for a few more years.

Rob

 

[jefferiestubes8]

interior sets

This is a first really for Trek that a bridge interior set for Kelvin was built for a (big budget) feature film and would not need rebuilt and could be used "as-is". An engineering set would be needed as would a sick bay, a meeting room, and corridors for a TV series. A CG model Kelvin has already been built that could be licensed and reused for all exterior space shots.
So the real savings is no bridge set.

 

[Kane_Steel]

What's the point?

There's no Enterprise for Pike to command in the new timeline...

 

[Temis the Vorta]

Pike's a generic space cowboy type character. There's no particular reason to build a show around him.

Ummm..sure there is. If its based on the one we saw in the movie. I have friends, non-trek fans, who thought he was the best part of the movie. He's the one character in that movie, if told restrospect, could do quite well where ENTERPRISE felled...bridge any new show with what is now one of TREK's greatest successes..XI.

The logic is all there; as it should be, since I thought of it.

Rob

Why in the world would anyone think Pike was the best part of the movie? He wasn't badly played, but he was a rigid, hard-nosed military type space jockey of the sort I've seen a thousand times before. There's nothing particularly unique, new or exciting about the character. There's no internal conflict or intriguing possible character arc to build a story around. He's fine as a tertiary character, a 'mentor' type for the younger characters who the story will be about, but Spock and Kirk definitely retained their place as the most compelling characters in Trek (with Uhura suddenly rocketing into third place due to someone giving her something halfway interesting to do for a change instead of being part of the furniture.)

He's the one character in that movie, if told restrospect, could do quite well where ENTERPRISE felled.

ENT's problem is that it should have been about the Birth of the Federation, instead of time travel war nonsense and random space tourism that nobody cared about. Replacing wimp-ass Archer with a tougher Pike type (maybe played by a more interesting actor than Greenwood, like Gary Cole) would solve one problem but there would still be the overwhelming problem of a worthless premise.

Pike's a generic space cowboy type character. There's no particular reason to build a show around him.

One could say the same about James T. Kirk.

The notable thing about Kirk (and a big reason why he's become so famous while the dozens of space-cowboys we've seen through the years have faded into obscurity) is that he transcends the expected space cowboy type by having more intelligence, intuition, emotion, nurturing attitude towards his crew, and creativity than you'd expect. He's not just the boring, one-note macho type. He has 'feminine' qualities that subvert the macho stereotype in amusing ways. (This is also where all that K/S slash comes from - an unexpected benefit. ) Maybe Pike could be molded into a Kirk type but why bother? Why not just stick with Kirk, who is an obvious success?

Quinto would have to be on the show to satisfy me and a lot of the other fans.

If he's on the show, Pike could be worse than Archer and Janeway combined and I'd still love it.