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Star Trek Picard is not Star Trek

I realize all this is probably true, but at this point the arrowhead has become such a big part of the franchise that there was no way they weren't going to use it for Discovery. It's a retcon, but an understandable one that I am perfectly fine with.
Yeah, it pretty much as inevitable. As much as I appreciate the "on screen is canon" concept there are real world considerations that come along with it.
 
I realize all this is probably true, but at this point the arrowhead has become such a big part of the franchise that there was no way they weren't going to use it for Discovery. It's a retcon, but an understandable one that I am perfectly fine with.
It's a recon, Recovered Continuity. ;)
 
I like to pretend Nemesis isn't real and that Data is alive and well. Doesn't mean it didn't happen, but I can pretend.

Just like I ignore the last episode of Enterprise when I rewatch it.

I at least like the idea of the ST Countdown comic leading up to ST2009 allowing Data to live on. At the time they told us it was canon and now they ignore it.
 
Yeah, but didn't DS9 blow that interpretation up?
DS9 had to say something (that is, if they wanted to use the old Tribbles footage). The little that they did say I saw as more of a joke acknowledgement rather than any real in-universe thing that needed to be carried forward.

Sure, the acknowledgement that Klingons looked different did happen in-universe, but it was such a quick throw-away line that we could have just laughed at the slight absurdity of the situation and moved on -- which is what most of us did until ENT's unnecessary detailed explanation.
 
I realize all this is probably true, but at this point the arrowhead has become such a big part of the franchise that there was no way they weren't going to use it for Discovery. It's a retcon, but an understandable one that I am perfectly fine with.
I'm not. It is part of the built up history created for the series. It is part of canon. Changing it means you aren't following canon... deliberately.
 
What we saw in TOS was that some Starfleet personnel had the arrowhead, and some didn't. That's fine. I'd rather not get into the nitpicky minutiae of exactly how Starfleet HQ determined which crews should get the arrowhead and which crews should use a different emblem. Disco uses the arrowhead for whatever reason Starfleet sees fit, and that's just fine too.

Kor
 
One doesn't follow canon,one creates it. (or I should say writers do) Something is canon until it isn't anymore. The Enterprise is an Earth ship operated by humans under the authority of the UESPA until it isn't. Data was a member of the class of '78, until he wasn't. Spock was an only child until he wasn't. Klingon looked liked humans with bushy eyebrows and occasionally swarthy skin, until they didn't (and they did again).
 
DS9 had to say something (that is, if they wanted to use the old Tribbles footage). The little that they did say I saw as more of a joke acknowledgement rather than any real in-universe thing that needed to be carried forward.
Ironically, the scene shows that not all changes require explanation. The episode preceding along fine without trying to figure out how Worf and Koloth were both Klingons. It's just artistic license that took hold over the years.
 
What we saw in TOS was that some Starfleet personnel had the arrowhead, and some didn't. That's fine. I'd rather not get into the nitpicky minutiae of exactly how Starfleet HQ determined which crews should get the arrowhead and which crews should use a different emblem. Disco uses the arrowhead for whatever reason Starfleet sees fit, and that's just fine.

Kor
Exactly. Despite fan interpretation we do not know exactly how each symbol was given out.
 
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Star Trek 2009 is not Star Trek.
Star Trek Into Darkness is not Star Trek
Star Trek Beyond is not Star Trek
Star Trek Discovery is not Star Trek
Star Trek Picard is not Star Trek
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Yeah? Well to me, when it comes right down to it, neither are Star Trek: The Motion Picture, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Star Trek: Generations, Star Trek: Voyager, Star Trek: First Contact, Star Trek: Insurrection, (Star Trek): Enterprise, or Star Trek: Nemesis.

None of those are Star Trek. Only Star Trek is truly Star Trek. I enjoy it on its own elevated level, as a standalone thing separate from, and a cut above, the franchise that came later. All the other shows and movies are spinoffs that don't hit the same notes as Star Trek. But they don't have to. I can still enjoy them to varying degrees and for different reasons, some more than others, but as their own thing. They are all equally not Star Trek to me.

Kor
 
Well to me, when it comes right down to it, neither are Star Trek: The Motion Picture, Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan, Star Trek III: The Search for Spock, Star Trek IV: The Voyage Home, Star Trek V: The Final Frontier, Star Trek VI: The Undiscovered Country, Star Trek: The Next Generation, Star Trek: Deep Space Nine, Star Trek: Generations, Star Trek: Voyager, Star Trek: First Contact, Star Trek: Insurrection, (Star Trek): Enterprise, or Star Trek: Nemesis.
Definitely not Star Trek. It never could be Star Trek.

I think the admins should kill this thread.

KILL!

KILL!

KILL!
Free exchange of ideas here :)
 
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