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Star Trek Picard is not Star Trek

What they did with Icheb is an insult for a lot of people that wanted him back.
Who in the hell wanted or even expected Icheb to come back? I have nothing against the character, he certainly had his moments in Voyager, but among all the Trek characters I feel need to be brought back, Icheb's probably near the bottom of the list.

Which is why his torture/death scene is so fucking brilliant. The minute or so long scene took a character I'm mostly ambivalent towards and really made me give a damn about him. And so, when he did die, it fucking meant something to me. In the days since watching the episode, that scene has stuck with me, and I've found myself remembering random Icheb moments here and there, which is usually something I do for days or weeks after someone I actually know dies. Icheb marks the first time I've had this sort of reaction to a fictional character's death. So I can't get behind the idea that what happened to Icheb is any kind of an insult to anyone. If anything, it is the single most memorable thing done with the Icheb character, and as a result lands him in one of the most memorable moments of the Star Trek franchise as a whole.

Which is pretty fucking impressive. If someone had told me this time last week that a scene involving Icheb would have such a profound impact on me, I'd accuse them of smoking some very fine herb indeed. But here we are.
 
I'm an Unabashed Die-Hard Trek Fan...,
I've seen 98% of every Trek episode made the first time it was aired and enjoyed all of them.
(later viewings have dulled the excitement of a few;) )

I missed the Premier of TNG, due to a 2-day power outage from a snowstorm in the Northeast, but I did get to VCR Record and watch it a few days later with a repeat showing.
(BOY, was I really pizzed about that :scream:)

The other was "Hope & Fear" (VOY S4) the first and second times that season, due to sporting events screwing up my VCR timing.
(I finally saw it about a year later)
:cool:
 
Who in the hell wanted or even expected Icheb to come back? I have nothing against the character, he certainly had his moments in Voyager, but among all the Trek characters I feel need to be brought back, Icheb's probably near the bottom of the list.

Which is why his torture/death scene is so fucking brilliant. The minute or so long scene took a character I'm mostly ambivalent towards and really made me give a damn about him. And so, when he did die, it fucking meant something to me. In the days since watching the episode, that scene has stuck with me, and I've found myself remembering random Icheb moments here and there, which is usually something I do for days or weeks after someone I actually know dies. Icheb marks the first time I've had this sort of reaction to a fictional character's death. So I can't get behind the idea that what happened to Icheb is any kind of an insult to anyone. If anything, it is the single most memorable thing done with the Icheb character, and as a result lands him in one of the most memorable moments of the Star Trek franchise as a whole.

Which is pretty fucking impressive. If someone had told me this time last week that a scene involving Icheb would have such a profound impact on me, I'd accuse them of smoking some very fine herb indeed. But here we are.
I'm still struggling with the idea of being insulted by a fictional character's death. I think the closest I got was Kirk's...maybe. And Pike's. But, Icheb's? Yeah, that's impressive indeed, as you well state.
 
I'm still struggling with the idea of being insulted by a fictional character's death. I think the closest I got was Kirk's...maybe. And Pike's. But, Icheb's? Yeah, that's impressive indeed, as you well state.
I wasn't "insulted" by Kirk's Death or the first time THEY destroyed the Enterprise.

But I was sure pizzed off and really sad both times!
:eek: :wah:
 
Icheb's death was necessary to show how evil these people are. To show that they're several shades worse than Quark ever was. And so that we'd be on Seven's side when she gave them what they deserved.

I don't care that Icheb died other than it served as a catalyst for Seven, who does care (as she should) and was very upset by it. It sold her motivation better than any dialogue ever could've.
 
Am I the only one who things this guy is just a shadow account for someone who has been banned previously?
 
I think it's the Romulan Housekeepers who have those hidden phasers. They're former Tal'Shiar. I'd be surprised if they didn't.
I'm not convinced they knew there were multiple guns hidden under the antique furniture. It's not established that they knew about this, and what do the Tal Shiar reach for when the lights go out and they're shot at? A knife and a bottle of wine even though there are multiple guns in the room. Picard eventually grabs the first gun and he doesn't even look for it, he just grabs it. The Tal Shiar lady looks under another table and gets that gun. So who hid the convenient guns?

Which leads me now to wonder if Picard had a phaser under his ready room table the entire time on TNG. That doesn't sound like something he'd do. Maybe this new show isn't "Star Trek". <----getting thread back on topic
 
I'm not convinced they knew there were multiple guns hidden under the antique furniture. It's not established that they knew about this, and what do the Tal Shiar reach for when the lights go out and they're shot at? A knife and a bottle of wine even though there are multiple guns in the room. Picard eventually grabs the first gun and he doesn't even look for it, he just grabs it. The Tal Shiar lady looks under another table and gets that gun. So who hid the convenient guns?

Which leads me now to wonder if Picard had a phaser under his ready room table the entire time on TNG. That doesn't sound like something he'd do. Maybe this new show isn't "Star Trek". <----getting thread back on topic
If the guns were not always there then they were probably put there after what happened to Dahj. Sudden Romulan murder squad might warrant some precautions.
 
I'm not convinced they knew there were multiple guns hidden under the antique furniture. It's not established that they knew about this, and what do the Tal Shiar reach for when the lights go out and they're shot at? A knife and a bottle of wine even though there are multiple guns in the room. Picard eventually grabs the first gun and he doesn't even look for it, he just grabs it. The Tal Shiar lady looks under another table and gets that gun. So who hid the convenient guns?

Forensics. I'll re-examine the scene when I get the chance. But they certainly weren't surprised that the guns were there. I think they supplied them. As far as grabbing, it depends on how fast you can get to where something is hidden. When there's no time to react, there's no time to head over to grab. If there are three people, at least one has a chance of getting to the weapons in time.

I'm of the belief that the Romulans supplied the weapons through connections they have that Picard wouldn't.
 
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