Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[cooleddie74]

"Requiem for Methuselah" and "All Our Yesterdays" are both fine examples of TOS episodes with strong narratives and supporting characters and both made the most of the Season 3 budget cuts made just before the series' cancellation. Both aired in 1969.

 

[Tallguy]

There was someone here for the longest time had their Signature as 'Star Trek - 1966 to 1991'

I don't remember who it was, and I honestly don't care. I just remember their signature for some reason.

1991? Roddenberry?

 

[Tallguy]

"Requiem for Methuselah" and "All Our Yesterdays" are both fine examples of TOS episodes with strong narratives and supporting characters and both made the most of the Season 3 budget cuts made just before the series' cancellation. Both aired in 1969.

Sorry if I wasn't clear. I listed Savage Curtain and All Our Yesterdays as my faves from 1969. But there are far worse than Requiem.

 

[Tuskin38]

1991? Roddenberry?

Yes.

 

[eschaton]

"Requiem for Methuselah" and "All Our Yesterdays" are both fine examples of TOS episodes with strong narratives and supporting characters and both made the most of the Season 3 budget cuts made just before the series' cancellation. Both aired in 1969.

All Our Yesterdays is probably my second favorite TOS Season 3 episode after Day of the Dove. But I don't think Requiem for Methuselah is good...at all.

My next most favorite from the season are (in no particular order) Spectre of the Gun, The Enterprise Incident, Is There No Truth in Beauty?, That Which Survives, and Who Gods Destroy.

Everything else is crap. Some of it so bad it's good crap, but crap nonetheless.

 

[Noname Given]

The Good Old Days when Trek fans were actually appreciative of whatever shows/movies we got.

Been a fan since 1969 and NEVER have I seen such a day.

- When there was only STAR TREK (TOS) - the fans wanted to decanonize/forget most of the 3rd season with maybe 3 exceptions.

- When TAS appeared on Saturday mornings in 1973 it was "God, the new theme sucks..." (that wws me too in that group even at 10 years old)/ and for the older fans - "Why only 30 minutes? (A number of Hana-Barabera stuff ran an hour in those days)/ "Great - now Star Trek is a Saturday Morning kiddie show..." (As I was a kid, no I wasn't in that group )

- TMP: "Wow 40+ Million to remake The Changeling?...and a really boring version of it too"/"Why does the 1701 use Klingon D-7 like warp nacelles?", "TWO Turbolifts? Not MY Bridge."/"Wow, love the Beige color scheme and the onesie Pajama ship uniforms..."/"Who ARE these characters...Kirk and Spock don't act like the Kirl and Spock I know..."

- TWoK: "Who the hell is Harve Bennett? He claims he hasn't ever watched STAR TREK!"/"Of ALL the episodes to follow up on why Space Seed?"/"Harve didn't watch TOS too closely as Chekov wasn't on the ship when the Khan incident happened."/"Hey, how could the USS Reliant sensors NOT detect that Ceti Alpha VI had exploded and the changed planetary orbits?"

-TSFS: "My god, Klingons are stupid...what they can't tell a Computer is counting down and what that might mean?"/"Where's the REAL Savik?"/"Wow a Bridge with a Pink and Lavender color scheme."/"WTF - who designed the USS Grissom?"/"Are all Science ship Captains that incompetent?"/Spock said he never went through Pon Farr until it hit him in Amok Time - now they always experience it EVERY 7 years...?/"Since when do the Klingon fly 'Birds Of Prey' and when did they get Cloaking Devices"/Did the script writer ever bother to WATCH Star Trek."/"Hey those Klingons don't look like the ones in ST:TMP...WTF?"/

-TVH: "What does Kirk mean - 'They're still using money?' They had money in the 23rd century, Federation Credits. See Mudd's Women when they ask Harry Mudd 'Did you pay Royalties, or Errand of Mercy where Kirk asks Spock how much Starfleet has invested in them and Spock starts spouting a numeric figure."/"Kirk was born in Iowa? WTF? I thought he was one of the few young survivors who actually saw Governor Kodos on Tarsus IV when Kodos executed half the colony so the rest could survive on the food remaining? Did the script writer bother to WATCH Star Trek?"

ST:TNG - "OMG! A Klingon on the Bridge and a snotty genius Teenager on the ship?"/"WTF? Who IS the old bald white guy and why is HE the Captain...Not My Trek!"

-TFF: "OMG! WTF is this shit?!"/"Spock has a BROTHER?! (Oh brother.)"/"Row, row, row your boat?! SPARE ME!"/Who the hell did these visual effects? The original TOS TV series in 1966 had better visual effects."/"Why do the 1701-A corridors look like the TNG 1701-D corridors? Same with the Transporter?"

- TUC "They're going to mothball the Fleet because the Klingon Empire is dying? What? Did the Romulans just disappear?"/"Klingons have PINK blood now?!"/"Since when does Dr. McCoy not know anything about Klingon physiology? He detected a Klingon spy in 30 seconds by noticing what his vital signs were on a Tricorder in The Trouble With Tribbles; and if he doesn't know how to treat Klingons WHY did he volunteer to beam over with Kirk to do so?" (Oh and on TNG Gowron said, "Women may not serve of the Council..." <--- and I don't think that's a recent development - so WHY are these Klingons making Gorkon's daughter the new Chancellor of the Klingon High Council?"/"Did the script writer even WATCH ANY Star Trek?"

And yes, I could go on...but sorry, there never WAS such a time as you describe in Star Trek fandom.

 

[cooleddie74]

Two turbolifts in TMP was probably because TAS had two on the bridge module and they carried that over into the cancelled Phase II project. If anyone in 1979 was bitching about two bridge turbolifts they either never watched TAS or didn't want to.

 

[Tuskin38]

- TMP: "Wow 40+ Million to remake The Changeling?...and a really boring version of it too"/"Why does the 1701 use Klingon D-7 like warp nacelles?", "TWO Turbolifts? Not MY Bridge."/"Wow, love the Beige color scheme and the onesie Pajama ship uniforms..."/"Who ARE these characters...Kirk and Spock don't act like the Kirl and Spock I know..."

You forgot about the Klingon makeup

 

[Noname Given]

You forgot about the Klingon makeup

Yes...yes I did.

 

[Tuskin38]

(Oh and on TNG Gowron said, "Women may not serve of the Council..." <--- and I don't think that's a recent development - so WHY are these Klingons making Gorkon's daughter the new Chancellor of the Klingon High Council?"/"Did the script writer even WATCH ANY Star Trek?"

And the episode where Gowron said that, contradicts an earlier episode of TNG where K'Ehleyr is offered a seat on the high council.

It just keep going deeper!

 

[Noname Given]

And the episode where Gowron said that, contradicts an earlier episode of TNG where K'Ehleyr is offered a seat on the high council.

It just keep going deeper!

See! NO Star Trek script writer WATCHES Star Trek...

 

[Tuskin38]

See! NO Star Trek script writer WATCHES Star Trek...

Not even the person who co-wrote the earlier episode

(Ron D. Moore did admit it was an intentional contradiction for the sake of story.)

 

[cooleddie74]

We know the real world reason for the contradiction about women serving on the High Council but in-universe I just figure that both Azetbur and earlier L'Rell did some terribly controversial and unpopular things when both served as Chancellor and after Azetbur stepped down or was toppled the men who weren't terribly happy with some of the things she'd been doing changed the rules and those new rules remained in place until at least the Gowron Era.

 

[fireproof78]

We know the real world reason for the contradiction about women serving on the High Council but in-universe I just figure that both Azetbur and earlier L'Rell did some terribly controversial and unpopular things when both served as Chancellor and after Azetbur stepped down or was toppled the men who weren't terribly happy with some of the things she'd been doing changed the rules and those new rules remained in place until at least the Gowron Era.

Probably. Very Egyptian of them to strip their names from the records.

 

[Lord Garth]

Star Trek: 1966-2001, 2017-2024

Just kidding! Just kidding! Maybe...

There was someone here for the longest time had their Signature as 'Star Trek - 1966 to 1991'

I don't remember who it was, and I honestly don't care. I just remember their signature for some reason.

I know who that is. We're friends. He's someone I'll stick up for because I can see his viewpoint and understand where he's coming from.

 

[Cyrus]

I really liked the idea of Federation president Anton Chekov. Voiced by the original Chekov actor and named after the Kelvin Chekov actor who passed away.

It would have been interesting if they actually showed Walter playing the character instead of just his voice. Chekovs like Soongs all look alike. But it was more than good enough as is.

 

[Racefuel]

I really liked the idea of Federation president Anton Chekov. Voiced by the original Chekov actor and named after the Kelvin Chekov actor who passed away.

It would have been interesting if they actually showed Walter playing the character instead of just his voice. Chekovs like Soongs all look alike. But it was more than good enough as is.

It helped avoid the Soong Syndrome while still welcoming back Walter to the fold

 

[NCC-73515]

And the episode where Gowron said that, contradicts an earlier episode of TNG where K'Ehleyr is offered a seat on the high council.

It just keep going deeper!

Gowron just tried to bribe her with something of 0 value and hoped she'd fall for it

 

[LastRideOut]

There was someone here for the longest time had their Signature as 'Star Trek - 1966 to 1991'

I don't remember who it was, and I honestly don't care. I just remember their signature for some reason.

Yeah, that was probably Mr. Stinky Pants. He was quite insistent that anything post-gene death was not Star Trek. He also considered Star Trek TOS to TMP to be pure Star Trek with anything after TMP more like Star Trek "lite".

 

[Dar70]

Yeah, that was probably Mr. Stinky Pants. He was quite insistent that anything post-gene death was not Star Trek. He also considered Star Trek TOS to TMP to be pure Star Trek with anything after TMP more like Star Trek "lite".

Haha. I remember him well. He changed his name to the Great Mambo Chicken after he briefly left. Now he's been gone for many years.