Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[gweeps]

Even though there's only two episodes left, what with Vadic being a mostly meh villain and me not caring much about Picard and Beverly's son, I think Season 2 will end up being my favourite, though obviously not the best written of the 3; that'd be 1, even though it also has flaws. 7/10 show all told. So much promise. I wonder what Berman thinks about it?

 

[Campe]

At least the positives outweigh the negatives for them, and it's crazy seeing them exist in their own pocket universe divorced from the rest of the YouTube pop culture sphere.

God forbid people having their own opinions and not going along with the group.

 

[fireproof78]

At least the positives outweigh the negatives for them, and it's crazy seeing them exist in their own pocket universe divorced from the rest of the YouTube pop culture sphere. Plus it's hilarious when they throw in hypothetical Kurtzman tropes.

It's most like people can have their own opinions and not be a part of the hive mind of YouTube...


...I know, it's shocking.

 

[cooleddie74]

Just get to Frontier Day already. I want to see all the ships in glorious beauty shots.

 

[Racefuel]

That fine china should be reserved for April 5, 2063.

I'll be 77 years old, but what the hell, why not.

 

[Caeruleus]

Well that "pure evil" shit is more like for some horror movie like Insidious or Anabelle or something like that. It doesn't really fit in science-fiction space traveling oriented series like Star Trek bcs we science-oriented geeks know what Universe/Cosmos doesn't recognize good from evil, it is 100% human concept of moral. In Universe/Cosmos you only have action and reaction. Chaos and order. But nog good and evil. So this whole story with Jack is a little bit wierd. Even that story with Pat-Wraths in DS9 was a little bit too much for me and SC-FI genre.

 

[fireproof78]

Kirk split in to good and evil.

Dukhat was pure evil.

The Borg were treated as pure evil.

Armus was pure evil.

It might not be good scifi (debatable) but it is very Star Trek.

 

[KirkusOveractus]

Kirk split in to good and evil.

Dukhat was pure evil.

The Borg were treated as pure evil.

Armus was pure evil.

It might not be good scifi (debatable) but it is very Star Trek.

Agreed. Star Trek has always dealt in the pros and cons of good and evil and the morality with each. In some cases, it's even tried to show the motive behind a character's evil and why they may not see themselves as evil. It showed that Star Trek was Sci Fi at its base but also existed to tell stories about beings and how they were viewed.

 

[jaime]

Plus it’s Troi’s thing, going right back to Farpoint.

 

[Racefuel]

Kirk split in to good and evil.

Dukhat was pure evil.

The Borg were treated as pure evil.

Armus was pure evil.

It might not be good scifi (debatable) but it is very Star Trek.

Dukhat only really became "pure evil" when he got obsessed with the Pah Wraith shit. I don't think it was intended for him to be "pure evil" in DS9 S3-6, etc.

Armus is 100% pure evil, quite literally hate and bad vibes made sentient.

 

[fireproof78]

Dukhat only really became "pure evil" when he got obsessed with the Pah Wraith shit. I don't think it was intended for him to be "pure evil" in DS9 S3-6, etc.

Armus is 100% pure evil, quite literally hate and bad vibes made sentient.

Sisko describes Dukhat as "pure evil" after Waltz. So, yeah, regardless of the Pah Wraith's the show spins him as evil.

 

[Racefuel]

Eventually, yes.

 

[fireproof78]

Eventually, yes.

Evil doesn't happen overnight.

 

[Racefuel]

Evil doesn't happen overnight.

I know, but while Sisko calls Dukhat pure evil, even when the possessed Dukhat kills Jadzia..he still shows an odd element of remorse and compassion in doing it.

That does eventually change by mid Season 7

 

[jaime]

Dukhat only really became "pure evil" when he got obsessed with the Pah Wraith shit. I don't think it was intended for him to be "pure evil" in DS9 S3-6, etc.

Armus is 100% pure evil, quite literally hate and bad vibes made sentient.

People were accidentally starting to root for Space Stalin. They actively had to course correct, because people were buying into a redemption arc rather than appreciating a nuance.

 

[fireproof78]

I know, but while Sisko calls Dukhat pure evil, even when the possessed Dukhat kills Jadzia..he still shows an odd element of remorse and compassion in doing it.

That does eventually change by mid Season 7

I always am amused by the idea that evil can't have remorse. Evil simply knows no other way except to continue in the same self-serving pattern as before. It can have remorse, especially within sentient beings, but remorse doesn't prompt change. It simply is an acknowledgement of past failure, usually due to the fact that others have let them down.

 

[Racefuel]

I always am amused by the idea that evil can't have remorse. Evil simply knows no other way except to continue in the same self-serving pattern as before. It can have remorse, especially within sentient beings, but remorse doesn't prompt change. It simply is an acknowledgement of past failure, usually due to the fact that others have let them down.

Because I don't think Dukhat was the level of darkness and evil that Troi was sensing.

The implication behind this is a fundamental, ancient, profound evil..

Not a "Space Stalin with a spoonhead" evil.

 

[James Cole]

It's most like people can have their own opinions and not be a part of the hive mind of YouTube...


...I know, it's shocking.

In this case I was thinking more of not being aware of the general behind the scenes info that's been disseminated for months.

 

[fireproof78]

Because I don't think Dukhat was the level of darkness and evil that Troi was sensing.

No, I doubt it's Dukhat either. Nor do I have any interest in seeing him.

The implication behind this is a fundamental, ancient, profound evil..

Q? The alien from Star Trek 5? The Dwoud?

Not a "Space Stalin with a spoonhead" evil.

Racist...?

In this case I was thinking more of not being aware of the general behind the scenes info that's been disseminated for months.

Save for what appears here I generally avoid BTS information during a show's initial run. I rarely watch YT Star Trek videos, I rarely watch the Ready Room. So what is disseminated I get mainly here.

I use to do the whole BTS thing more regularly. That is not longer the case.

 

[Campe]

I still think it’s Bob from Starfleet HR.