Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[Alexander Corrino]

To be fair Stewart was likely talking more about wearing a uniform all the time like he did on TNG. Not that he would avoid them for a scene or two if needed like a flashback or so. I think he was likely more open to that than say Tom Welling who refused forever to put on Superman's tights.

Nah, he did say “no uniforms” at first, meaning no uniforms at all. However, he has never been someone who can’t change his mind - he very quickly did just that when he realized that some scenes would not have worked as effectively if he hadn’t been in a uniform. He himself has said that the whole “no Starfleet uniforms at all for me plz” thing was a bit presumptuous on his part, lol.

 

[Lord Garth]

Some things I left out earlier, because it's been a while. Both of which further reinforce what I said.

Says the guy who has Sisko in his avatar. How many episodes of DS9 were there where Starfleet wasn't the main focus? The main focus in several episodes was Bajor, the civilians on the station, the Cardassians, the Klingons in a few instances. Starfleet played second fiddle in a lot of episodes, sometimes even third fiddle.

And then there are the Ferengi episodes! How could I have forgotten about those? Don't answer that...

As far as Star Wars-ification, how about we look at the average DS9 Mirror Universe episode? If Regent Worf isn't a Darth Vader stand-in, I don't know what is. If the ship battles in those episodes aren't pure Star Wars, I don't know what is. I'd say those episodes of DS9 are more Star Wars than almost any episode of PIC. What's also Star Wars is Sisko and The Prophets versus Dukat and The Pah'Wraiths. The Jedi and The Dark Side.

I also have to add all those Massive Fleet Battles in DS9. Seeing huge fleets of ships, at least during the first two seasons of PIC, has been the exception, not the rule. Even there, PIC stopped anything before the Massive Fleet Battles broke out. Unlike DS9. So, I ask, which one sounds more Star Wars here?

 

[Lord Garth]

I wonder if Kurtzman & Co. got spooked by the reaction to the Section 31 show - it's probably the least typical of the Trek ideas in production so far, and there's been very little positive response. If they're still going to take a risk on that one, then they'd most likely want to double-down on the "safe" notions just in case it bellyflops.

I was one of the people in favor of a Section 31 Series (not that I would post in the forum, I like my blood pressure level where it is, thank you very much), I'm still not against it, but after PIC Season 2, I'd prefer an Assignment: Earth spin-off that picks up after the 21st Century portion of PIC S2 left off. The Watchers seem very interesting, even more interesting when paired with The Travellers, I think it would be interesting to see what things were like in the rest of Star Trek Universe before the Federation existed (and before Earth even had Warp Drive!), and no one would be able to accuse a Star Trek show set during the 2020s of being too much like the other series.

 

[Anduinel]

I was one of the people in favor of a Section 31 Series (not that I would post in the forum, I like my blood pressure level where it is, thank you very much), I'm still not against it, but after PIC Season 2, I'd prefer an Assignment: Earth spin-off that picks up after the 21st Century portion of PIC S2 left off. The Watchers seem very interesting, even more interesting when paired with The Travellers, I think it would be interesting to see what things were like in the rest of Star Trek Universe before the Federation existed (and before Earth even had Warp Drive!), and no one would be able to accuse a Star Trek show set during the 2020s of being too much like the other series.

And they could still get Michelle Yeoh in as a lead, which seemed like it was the big impetus behind the Section 31 project anyway.

 

[Danja]

I'd prefer an Assignment: Earth spin-off that picks up after the 21st Century portion of PIC S2 left off. The Watchers seem very interesting, even more interesting when paired with The Travellers,

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[Gingerbread Demon]

I was one of the people in favor of a Section 31 Series (not that I would post in the forum, I like my blood pressure level where it is, thank you very much), I'm still not against it, but after PIC Season 2, I'd prefer an Assignment: Earth spin-off that picks up after the 21st Century portion of PIC S2 left off. The Watchers seem very interesting, even more interesting when paired with The Travellers, I think it would be interesting to see what things were like in the rest of Star Trek Universe before the Federation existed (and before Earth even had Warp Drive!), and no one would be able to accuse a Star Trek show set during the 2020s of being too much like the other series.

I still want an actual Section 31 series so I guess I'm in the minority here.

I also like the idea of a series that follows Earth from the late 21st Century through First Contact and then how Earth changed and developed before there was a proper Starfleet. That's the kind of show I'd love to see and in that series they'd also be able to show how WW3 caused some of the change because that would be one of the major events before First Contact.

 

[Tuskin38]

Unless it's animated, I could see that being pretty expensive.

Or it's set somewhere on earth that barely changes between the years.

 

[cooleddie74]

ENT had the perfect chance to depict some of the wreckage and the ruins of World War III and never did. In my opinion it was one of the series' most glaring oversights and failures from a narrative point of view. We should have gotten peeks back to Earth that didn't involve Starfleet Headquarters, San Francisco and the random shore leave location.

The closest we got was some dialogue and even it was sparse.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

ENT had the perfect chance to depict some of the wreckage and the ruins of World War III and never did. In my opinion it was one of the series' most glaring oversights and failures from a narrative point of view. We should have gotten peeks back to Earth that didn't involve Starfleet Headquarters, San Francisco and the random shore leave location.

The closest we got was some dialogue and even it was sparse.

Wholeheartedly agree with this. We got one small hint but nothing else.

 

[Lord Garth]

ENT had the perfect chance to depict some of the wreckage and the ruins of World War III and never did. In my opinion it was one of the series' most glaring oversights and failures from a narrative point of view. We should have gotten peeks back to Earth that didn't involve Starfleet Headquarters, San Francisco and the random shore leave location.

The closest we got was some dialogue and even it was sparse.

To be totally honest, I don't fault ENT for that. It was 100 years after World War III. There would be no more wreckage. There might be ruins left for historical purposes, but nothing beyond that.

They could've had an episode or subplot within an episode about the 100th Anniversary of WWIII ending and they'd reflect upon how far they've come since then. But I'd file that under "Would've been nice" not "Why the Hell didn't they do that?!"

 

[Jayson1]

If they do a Section 31 show I don't want them to be the good guys. I want them doing dirty deeds on behalf of saving the Federation. You can have characters who sometimes feel guilty about what they do but it should have a edge.When I think about it something like Andor would make sense.

 

[eschaton]

If they do a Section 31 show I don't want them to be the good guys. I want them doing dirty deeds on behalf of saving the Federation. You can have characters who sometimes feel guilty about what they do but it should have a edge.When I think about it something like Andor would make sense.

I would want it even darker than that TBH. On DS9 they were presented as a conspiracy which thought it was acting in the best interests of the Federation, but they were never presented as a necessary evil per se. It wasn't the "hard men doing hard things" trope that became common post 9/11. I'd argue that the sideways references in Enterprise and STID were similar.

Discovery went way, way too far in terms of presenting them as just like a Starfleet version of black ops. I suppose it can be argued that even with what we saw of them in Season 2 we don't really know if they were actually necessary per se. But I think it's important to not present them as the men behind the curtain doing nasty shit so everyone else can playact being in a high-minded utopia. That goes against everything Trek stands for - the idea that our better natures won out, and that we can be ethical, safe, and live in comfort.

Basically, make it a show where they do outright villainous things. Have the protagonists try to rationalize their actions, but ultimately decide that it's wicked top to bottom, and try and take it down from the inside.

 

[fireproof78]

Basically, make it a show where they do outright villainous things. Have the protagonists try to rationalize their actions, but ultimately decide that it's wicked top to bottom, and try and take it down from the inside.

Yup. This is the show I want. People sit there an act like Section 31 isn't apart of Trek and should just be ignored. I say explore it and show its not necessary in the world.

 

[saddestmoon]

Hi Peeps - just finished Season 2 of Picard - and must say I enjoyed it a lot!

Admittedly, this is something of a ‘Patrick Stewart vanity project’ - but one that works incredibly well, and kept me watching, so overall a win!

Looking very forward to Season 3!

 

[Sci]

How is what we've seen so far "elevated to a current-day version"?

I don't think he means "elevated" in the sense of looking better per se; I think he means "elevated" in the sense of needing to use new, more advanced techniques to withstand the greater detail that high-definition cameras and TV sets capture compared to the kinds of makeup that were sufficient for old low-def video masters and CRT sets.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Same I watched it again and season 2 while not perfect is leaps beyond the crap that was season 1

 

[Jayson1]

I thought season 1 was actually kind of decent. It just ended badly with it's terrible final 2 episodes.

 

[cooleddie74]

I like Season 1 more than Season 2. Fewer mediocre episodes and at least the season finale was the only true stinker.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I thought season 1 was actually kind of decent. It just ended badly with it's terrible final 2 episodes.

Oh you mean the "not reapers" ending uber machines... I'm morbidly curious to see them in a future Trek

 

[NCC-73515]

The Data scene at the end of S1 was so good that I didn't care how bad the rest of that episode was