Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[Richard S. Ta]

Watched The Impossible Box (S01 E06). Much less messy than Stardust City Rag. I like how Picard reforms the Borg, just as TNG reformed the Klingons. There's something cool about showing that even the unforgivable can be forgiven. Very Star Trek. 06 has a tighter story than 05 and the story is moving again.

Nice to see Elnor reclaim his character too. For one episode there he suddenly became a moody, entitled adolescent... I really don't know what happened there, but he has some nice moments in The Impossible Box.

Narek and Soji finally pay off. All the wheels are turning. Very good I thought.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Well, 18 months had passed, and she lost her husband. Maybe she hadn't thought of Picard in that way until the opportunity arose?

Laris ----> Beverly for me.

If the Romulan sense of smell is acute as Vulcans, then PIcard smells like raw sewage to Laris.

 

[Alexander Corrino]

Alison Pill has confirmed that she is not in season 3: https://movieweb.com/alison-pill-star-trek-picard-season-3/

 

[Anduinel]

Alison Pill has confirmed that she is not in season 3: https://movieweb.com/alison-pill-star-trek-picard-season-3/

Oof. Can't say I like that, for multiple reasons. She put in such a good performance in S2. Also doesn't bode well for Rios, Soji, or Elnor if characters are being permanently written out. (Which isn't necessarily what this means, but it does seem to confirm they're not keeping the cast intact for next season.)

 

[shapeshifter]

<terminator> She'll be back.

 

[F. King Daniel]

They also featured Laris heavily on promo pics and all (she got her own picture in Ten Forward) and all we saw of her this season were a few scenes in the first episode and now (most likely) some more scenes in the final episode. I get that they probably felt it would be a bad idea to reveal Not!Laris since it would have spoiled the watcher surprise, but still. It was misleading since Laris also got pretty much zero further character development other than serving as a sudden romantic plot device for Jean-Luc.

And I'm guessing the reason Jean Luc is writing those invites in the season 3 teaser...

 

[timtonruben359]

. And there’s still that one missing scene between Jean-Luc and Laris that wasn’t on the show yet where she tells him “you’re gonna have to let go”. I know trailers are misleading but let’s assume she’s talking about his guilt for what happened to his mothert

Yeah I noticed that scene hasn't appeared yet (unless it was a cut scene from the first episode as it appears based on behind the scenes photos a number of scenes with Laris and Picard were cut from the first episode e.g. grape stomping). But that's why I suspect Tallinn and Laris are the same person and the reason they don't get together because my hunch is with Beverly Crusher being in the third season, they are going to explore JL/Bev to some degree.

 

[Captain pl1ngpl0ng]

im just finished watching 9 episodes... with only one more to go i got to say i really REALLY loved this season.

 

[Llywela]

Oof. Can't say I like that, for multiple reasons. She put in such a good performance in S2. Also doesn't bode well for Rios, Soji, or Elnor if characters are being permanently written out. (Which isn't necessarily what this means, but it does seem to confirm they're not keeping the cast intact for next season.)

Makes me wonder just how many of these characters will still even be alive, come season three. Elnor is already dead and it is beginning to feel like he won't be coming back. Agnes becoming a new Borg Queen means the Agnes we knew is already dead, effectively. If Rios gets left 400 years in the past on the eve of World War III, that means he will be dead from the point of view of 2401. Soji got off lightly, after all, being left out of this adventure!

What a waste of good characters.

 

[Tuskin38]

Alison Pill has confirmed that she is not in season 3: https://movieweb.com/alison-pill-star-trek-picard-season-3/

The bottom of the article

Ironically, there's a deleted scene of Star Trek: Picard which featured Pike (played by Anson Mount) singing a hymn to an archaic society.

huh???

 

[Tuskin38]

Elnor is already dead and it is beginning to feel like he won't be coming back.

Why? He should still be alive in the 25th Century once the timeline is repaired.

 

[Alexander Corrino]

And I'm guessing the reason Jean Luc is writing those invites in the season 3 teaser...

I’m not sure that was an invite. I zoomed in and it was all written in Sir Patrick’s handwriting (I like this, they’re going all in for authenticity) and I’m pretty good at deciphering his handwriting. The words I could make out didn’t sound like an invitation, more like a note of some kind. Or a letter.

Not saying it’s not a possibility that he’s going to marry Laris tho of course. I wouldn’t put it past the writers to have this as part of the whole “shake things up for Jean-Luc” angle they’re going for. Who knows.

 

[Anduinel]

Makes me wonder just how many of these characters will still even be alive, come season three. Elnor is already dead and it is beginning to feel like he won't be coming back. Agnes becoming a new Borg Queen means the Agnes we knew is already dead, effectively. If Rios gets left 400 years in the past on the eve of World War III, that means he will be dead from the point of view of 2401. Soji got off lightly, after all, being left out of this adventure!

What a waste of good characters.

Yeeeah. Here's hoping there's at least a window for Agnes to get back in post S3, but it still reminds of how JL was giving Rios that speech about optimism back in S1, after we'd seen two 90's era Trek characters die horribly. Easy to talk about optimism when you have plot armor, old man.

 

[Tuskin38]

Agnes will be alive as well in the 25th Century. There should be a version of her as the Queen, and a version of her on the bridge of the Stargazer. We saw this in Episode 1. Captain Rios should be there as well.

Remember they didn't go into the past, it was their consciousness in their Confederate counterparts bodies that went into the past.

 

[Anduinel]

Agnes will be alive as well in the 25th Century. There should be a version of her as the Queen, and a version of her on the bridge of the Stargazer.

And Rios as well actually.

Here's hoping. That's what I've been thinking would happen since ep 3, but as we get closer to the finale, I wonder if we won't get a "shocking" swerve.

 

[Jack Wolfe]

Here's hoping. That's what I've been thinking would happen since ep 3, but as we get closer to the finale, I wonder if we won't get a "shocking" swerve.

I'm getting the same feeling. I have little confidence there will be a big reset of the original timeline. Here's hoping whatever they have in store isn't too clever by half.

 

[Llywela]

Why? He should still be alive in the 25th Century once the timeline is repaired.

Here's hoping. That's what I've been thinking would happen since ep 3, but as we get closer to the finale, I wonder if we won't get a "shocking" swerve.

What @Anduinel said. Early on I was certain they would all end up back on the Stargazer a few minutes before their fateful encounter with the Borg Queen, everyone restored to where they started out, it seemed the most obvious outcome, but as the season has gone on I've become less and less sure. Too much of what has happened feels as if it is heading in a different direction - going to all the trouble of having Seven re-assimilated so that she'd get her implants back, Raffi getting to say goodbye to Elnor via his holo, Rios's growing bond with Theresa, Agnes becoming a new Borg Queen. It all ties in with the rumours about season three - Raffi and Seven are the only characters in the main cast other than Picard himself that we know for sure are going to be in season three. And more and more this season feels as if it is clearing the decks (in quite perfunctory fashion, as well).

I hope I am wrong. If I can't have all these characters for another season, preferably one in which they actually get to interact with each other and develop as characters instead of just chasing around after the plot, I want to at least be able to imagine them all being out there still, having adventures among the stars - keeping them all on the table as possible options to revisit for any future spin-offs set in the 25th century. They all have so much potential! But more and more it looks as if the writers see them all as entirely disposable.

 

[Alexander Corrino]

I was reading a few tweets yesterday from press people who got to see the finale earlier so that they can have their reviews ready on time on Thursday and one of them tweeted that the ending was “completely unexpected” and a “total surprise”.

Another one said they “screamed” at a scene somewhere in the middle and had to pause and then come back once they had calmed down (in a good way tho). So there seems to be a lot of stuff going on, along with more surprises. I don’t think it’ll be as easy as “they simply reset the timeline”.

 

[Campe]

Interesting. At the end, I still think there is going to be a cost.

 

[Anduinel]

I hope I am wrong. If I can't have all these characters for another season, preferably one in which they actually get to interact with each other and develop as characters instead of just chasing around after the plot, I want to at least be able to imagine them all being out there still, having adventures among the stars - keeping them all on the table as possible options to revisit for any future spin-offs set in the 25th century. They all have so much potential! But more and more it looks as if the writers see them all as entirely disposable.

Unfortunately, yes. I'm hoping it's not as grim as we're speculating in terms of character deaths/permanent losses, but if it is, I'm going to really just feel like this show wasted my time for two seasons. If the rest of the cast is really that unimportant, just let Sir Patrick do another one man show.