Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[Jayson1]

I kind of think they just forgot about Picard meeting Guinan in 1897 or hoped we wouldn't care enough to make a big deal about it and forgot we nerds can sometimes put the anal in analyst. Here is how I think the timeline was suppose to go. The moment that changes time isn't in 2024 but in the future when they don't let Jurati Borg Queen come aboard the Stargazer and they start firing on her which kills her and also human Jurati who ca't go back in time to become Borg Jurati.

Jurati is suppose to go back in time to become the Borg Queen for the Prime Universe to happen. When that is prevented a new Confederation is created with a new Borg Queen who is also needed for the prime universe to exist since she will turn Jurati into the Prime Borg Queen. The reason they go back is Q knows Jurati is suppose to be left behind in 2024 to in essence be a Borg Queen in hiding waiting until she can take control with FIrst Contact Queen dies in Voyager.

Also maybe Rios is also destined to live the rest of his time in this time period. They key to restoring the timeline is to let Jurati transfer into a Borg Queen but a different kind. A kind where Jurati's personality still is the dominant one. They are suppose to leave them in 2024 and thus the timeline will be restored. When they get to the future they will of course be reunited with Borg Jurati who has waited centuries to meet Picard and the others again and now that she is Queen she wants to free the drones and have them join the Federation basically as immigrants looking for a new home and release on life.

As for Picard the goal is for the watchers who don't know anything about the future other than some old story about Gary Seven meeting Kirk and Spock and maybe they don't think that is enough to go on to just assume humans won't become toxic in the future. Laris the watcher is deciding on whether or not Picard is worth helping or not and will either help Jurati or the other Borg Queen depending on whether she trusts Picard. Not knowing of course that if you don't help Jurati become the Borg Queen the future will be what her and those aliens most feared about humans becoming true. She takes on the form of Laris because she knows he has deep feelings for the real Laris and is using that to sort of study his feelings in her effort to decide if she can trust him.

As for Q we are seeing Q from the Confederation timeline. He doesn't show up on the show until after the Stargazer is destroyed. Q is Q no matter what timeline you are in so he knows all about the Prime timeline but maybe he has been affected and made more hostile since even though he remembers what he would call a friendship with Picard he never had it with Confederation Picard or if he did it was more of a bunch of toxic encounters instead.

So Q is not our Q exactly but he still has his memories of used to being our Q. His powers were maybe taken away from him from his fellow Q because they are afraid he might just wipe out all humans. Q also might be conflicted. The Confederation Q in him wants to kill all the humans but the Prime Q wants to help Picard save the humans. Heck Q might have even removed his own powers from himself because he knows how dangerous he can be an knows what he is capable of so in essence you got good Q fighting bad Q in away only a Q could do.

 

[Tuskin38]

I kind of think they just forgot about Picard meeting Guinan in 1897

No they didn't.

Jurati is suppose to go back in time to become the Borg Queen for the Prime Universe to happen. When that is prevented a new Confederation is created with a new Borg Queen who is also needed for the prime universe to exist since she will turn Jurati into the Prime Borg Queen.

The 2401 borg tore a hole in subspace to appear, so they could have just avoided the timeline being changed by existing outside of time.

 

[Jayson1]

No they didn't.


The 2401 borg tore a hole in subspace to appear, so they could have just avoided the timeline being changed by existing outside of time.

But if they don't show up human Jurati doesn't get killed on the Stargazer or be sent to the Confederation timeline to meet the Confederation Borg Queen who will then turn her into a Borg Queen in 2024. Basically the timeline had to be altered to not be forever altered. Also in essence they go back in time to not stop a change in the timeline but to leave Jurati Borg Queen and Rios behind so the timeline doesn't change. In theory anyways.

 

[Shazam!]

If only the Confederacy future exists then who, exactly, traveled from that future to meet Guinan in 1897?

Picard, from after the point in which the timelines split. Both timelines should have a shared history (including Times Arrow Picard) up until the timeline splits. Hence the term 'split' timeline. Otherwise we're basically in a parallel universe.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Picard, from after the point in which the timelines split. Both timelines should have a shared history (including Times Arrow Picard) up until the timeline splits. Otherwise we're basically in a parallel universe.

By your own words, that timeline no longer exists. That Picard no longer exists. He never did. He stopped existing at the moment of the timeline split, both in the future and the past. And he never will, unless they can correct the future. You're making the mistake of looking at time as if it is a strict progression from cause to effect, when in actuality it's... well, you know...

Put simply, changes to the timeline effect the entire timeline, past and future, as soon as the change is made.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

I'd rather not let YouTube morons do my thinking for me.

Same here, I'm plenty moronic on my own dammit.

 

[Shazam!]

By your own words, that timeline no longer exists.

Eh? I said it 'split' so both timelines are existing in parallel but *should* have the same history. For example, say Rios hangs around in the 21st century after they 'fix' the timeline what universe is he growing old in? It's not TNG as Picard hadn't gone back to meet Guinan in the history of that timeline and it's not confederacy timeline as they 'fixed' that.

I get that Star Trek timetravel is wildly inconsistent in that it either creates brand new universes, morphs around you so you retain 'yourself' or morphs around you and you 'become' the you of the new timeline but the idea that the changes now ripple backwards is brand new and I'm not sure really needed.

 

[gweeps]

Heck Q might have even removed his own powers from himself because he knows how dangerous he can be an knows what he is capable of so in essence you got good Q fighting bad Q in away only a Q could do.

But Q was surprised when he snapped hi fingers and nothing happened while trying to influence Renee Picard.

 

[Noname Given]

I watched RedLetterMedia's latest review of Picard season 2 episode 4/5 and it contained a clip from a Patrick Stewart interview on "The Ready Room" (I usually don't watch TRR, I was made aware of the interview through the RLM review).

In this interview, Patrick Stewart says that the show would explain why "Ten Forward" in TNG was called "Ten Forward":

The main crew lobby on the Enterprise-D was not called "Ten Forward" because it was located on deck 10, forward section, but because Guinan had a bar on earth for hundreds of years in Los Angeles on 10 Forward Avenue.


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Side note: I find it appropriate and telling that both RedLetterMedia and the AngryJoeShow use a picture of a burning dumpster in the background when they talk about Picard in their latest videos.

I agree the video review IS a dumpster fire.

 

[Jayson1]

But Q was surprised when he snapped hi fingers and nothing happened while trying to influence Renee Picard.

If Q took away his own power he could be unaware of what he is doing. Kind of like having a split personality and not knowing what the other one is doing when your not conscious.

 

[Timofnine]

I want to reiterate that I do not and have never done drugs so have no true basis for comparison, but as a Star Trek fan these last two episodes in particular and much of season 2 are kind of turning out in to a bit of a ‘bad Trekkie trip’ for me as I’m viewing them. Don’t get me wrong, I’m kind of *really* enjoying them still but It’s like the Star Trek we know and love has turned a bit upside down in a way that is slightly uncomfortable to watch, pushing the fans out of their comfort zones in a way that shouldn’t work for us, but it does kinda work for us. We also watch it regardless anyway because it has characters in it that we know and love which gives us a bit of comfort as the rabbit hole continues to throw us in these seemingly random and contrived/trippy Trek situations. It’s almost like the writers are tying to play mind games with the fans?

It’s making me nervous about even watching the trailer for next weeks episode tbh… I guess that this is a sign of good writing though?

 

[fireproof78]

Being pushed out of your comfort zone isn't a bad thing. TOS did that to me all the time as a kid.

 

[Burning Hearts of Qo'nos]

I want to reiterate that I do not and have never done drugs so have no true basis for comparison, but as a Star Trek fan these last two episodes in particular and much of season 2 are kind of turning out in to a bit of a ‘bad Trekkie trip’ for me as I’m viewing them. Don’t get me wrong, I’m kind of *really* enjoying them still but It’s like the Star Trek we know and love has turned a bit upside down in a way that is slightly uncomfortable to watch, pushing the fans out of their comfort zones in a way that shouldn’t work for us, but it does kinda work for us. We also watch it regardless anyway because it has characters in it that we know and love which gives us a bit of comfort as the rabbit hole continues to throw us in these seemingly random and contrived/trippy Trek situations. It’s almost like the writers are tying to play mind games with the fans?

It’s making me nervous about even watching the trailer for next weeks episode tbh… I guess that this is a sign of good writing though?

I've been feeling this way too! Enjoying every episode a lot but there is this underlying anxiety like... What in blazes is going to happen next. It's like coming for Picard and getting Agents of SHIELD instead and that's fine and then there's a random musical number which turns out to be fine too and then Picard gives this beautiful speech and that's even better!

Maybe not a BAD trip, but certainly a weird one that I hope to remember fondly. And I've done plenty of drugs, I think.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

I watched RedLetterMedia's latest review of Picard season 2 episode 4/5 and it contained a clip from a Patrick Stewart interview on "The Ready Room" (I usually don't watch TRR, I was made aware of the interview through the RLM review).

In this interview, Patrick Stewart says that the show would explain why "Ten Forward" in TNG was called "Ten Forward":

The main crew lobby on the Enterprise-D was not called "Ten Forward" because it was located on deck 10, forward section, but because Guinan had a bar on earth for hundreds of years in Los Angeles on 10 Forward Avenue.


#NuTrek #Facepalm

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Side note: I find it appropriate and telling that both RedLetterMedia and the AngryJoeShow use a picture of a burning dumpster in the background when they talk about Picard in their latest videos.

Have you ever had an original thought of your own that wasn't force-fed to you via negative YouTube videos about shows you don't even like, but which you clearly spend an incredible amount of time watching?

 

[cooleddie74]

One of the worst TOS episodes - "The Mark of Gideon" - still pushes you out of your comfort zone and forces you to confront the ideas of birth control, population explosion and limited resources. Even mediocre Trek when written right can make you think about the state of the world around you and won't just toss explosions and special effects at you as distractions.

 

[cooleddie74]

Nomad as depicted in John Eaves artwork:

 

[marillion]

Happened upon “What are Little Girls Made of” tonight.
Has how this fits into “android/synth” canon ever been discussed?
For all of Dr. Soong’s research into android tech, who knew all you needed to do was load a foam body onto a spinner with a host lifeform?

 

[NCC-73515]

all you needed to do was load a foam body onto a spinner with a host lifeform?

Has to be a Brent spinner though.

 

[Char Kais]

The rest of Picard season 2 is "brilliantly" captained by Akiva Goldsman.

1) That one of the co-showrunners is calling the second half of a season "the rest" is telling.

2) The brilliance of Akiva Goldsman (he is also the showrunner of Strange New Worlds):

3) The timing of this announcement is strange.
In the middle of season two, they show a teaser for season 3?
It is very disrespectful to the current cast, a slap in the face, to announce this now. It reeks of desperation from Paramount.

 

[Danlav05]

The season 3 announcements have dampened my enjoyment of season 2. I’m a fanw*nk s!ut. I was skeptical about spending most of the season in 2024.

Interestingly Akiva is also looking after SNW. At least we have a flavour of Terrys vision which will come into full force next season