I mean, that's what I would have done in their position.That was such a waste... Oh no, masses of Borg drones are gonna wake up!!!Nah let's just throw them all out the window.
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When I read tie in books I like for them to have an actual effect in future shows and books as part of a continuous timeline.
More often than not they are simply ignored, in extreme cases they are retconned or thrown out and replaced entirely (Star Wars for instance).
Same.
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I thought it was a bit odd at the time as we know that the Borg can operate in a vacuum just fine, blowing the atmosphere may disable them but it shouldn't kill them.That was such a waste... Oh no, masses of Borg drones are gonna wake up!!!
Perhaps the disconnection from the Collective disabled that particular ability.
You're missing a lot of amazing stories doing that.
But he has a point. If the 'tie-in' material has little or nothing to do with the thing it's tying into, then it shouldn't be called tie-in material in the first place.
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I love the ideas behind some of them but if they are not built upon moving forward it sort of takes the interest away for me.
I have no problem with alternate realities and what if stories if they are described as such from the start (loved the new Star Trek films for instance), I just don't see the point of reading something that has no basis in the Star Trek universe moving forward.
I would love to see Captain Dax and the fallout from the events in Destiny but the chances of that are pretty much nil in the only show that is placed after it in the timeline which is Picard.
The books could be used to enrich the universe a whole lot but instead they are at best throw away what-if stories.
Bit of a waste if you ask me.
I have no problem with alternate realities and what if stories if they are described as such from the start (loved the new Star Trek films for instance), I just don't see the point of reading something that has no basis in the Star Trek universe moving forward.
I would love to see Captain Dax and the fallout from the events in Destiny but the chances of that are pretty much nil in the only show that is placed after it in the timeline which is Picard.
The books could be used to enrich the universe a whole lot but instead they are at best throw away what-if stories.
Bit of a waste if you ask me.
I prefer what-if stories largely because it usually is more imaginative to think of all they myriad of possibilities out there, rather than worried about what it means going forward.
For instance, my favorite TOS novel is "Yesterday's Son" as a follow up to "All my Yesterdays" and Spock's ventures in to the past. Does it amount to anything in continuity? Not one iota. Is it a fun an interesting story, and showcases daily life on the Enterprise.
Worth it for the new perspective, if you ask me.
For instance, my favorite TOS novel is "Yesterday's Son" as a follow up to "All my Yesterdays" and Spock's ventures in to the past. Does it amount to anything in continuity? Not one iota. Is it a fun an interesting story, and showcases daily life on the Enterprise.
Worth it for the new perspective, if you ask me.
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I don't mind the new perspective if it is followed up and built upon but it never is.
Hence why I was open to Discovery and thought a Pike/Enterprise show was pretty much a foregone conclusion long before it was announced knowing all that stood in its way was money and time, both shows fill a void before TOS that has already been built on with Kirk's adventures.
The advantage that Picard has is that it is on TV which makes it canon, shame the books can't be given the same treatment as it would be a much richer universe for it.
I hear some of the DS9 follow on books are good as well but they are throwaway with events that will never be referenced again so I don't feel the pull to read them.
Hence why I was open to Discovery and thought a Pike/Enterprise show was pretty much a foregone conclusion long before it was announced knowing all that stood in its way was money and time, both shows fill a void before TOS that has already been built on with Kirk's adventures.
The advantage that Picard has is that it is on TV which makes it canon, shame the books can't be given the same treatment as it would be a much richer universe for it.
I hear some of the DS9 follow on books are good as well but they are throwaway with events that will never be referenced again so I don't feel the pull to read them.
I guess I've always had that build up and no follow up with most of the books I've read. So, it's nothing new to me.
They're alive as long as their personal shields are holding (or whatever it is that protects them), but still can't do much floating around in space
They were still waking up from being in stasis for more than a decade. Plus the the extreme forces put on their bodies as they were blown out could probably have broken bones or other important parts.
The Borg in First Contact would have also had time to prepare to leave the ship.
Some Borg drones not only survived the explosion of their sphere over 2063 Earth but the long plummet to the ice of the Arctic where they remained preserved for the next 90 years before being discovered and thawed out. A huge explosion, the heat of atmospheric entry and collision with an icy surface don't seem to kill some Borg drones so surviving in the vacuum of space doesn't seem like all that great an accomplishment.
I wonder why the genetic resequencing B'Elanna did wasn't possible? Yes, I know, Federation laws but they were outside of Federation jurisdiction.
For me, "Star Trek: First Contact" was the point where the Borg went from being scary to just being another villain of the week. When they humanized them, and gave them political motivations by introducing the Borg Queen; for me the Borg were finished as a truly frightening enemy. After that they were just like Klingons, Romulans, etc.
That and when they appeared on VGR. No distinction, no motivation, just obsessed with assimilation and that's it. No longer alien in their thinking; just aliens of the week.
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In some ways their fixation on assimilation is actually a weakness that can be exploited, their lack of fear is another one.
As long as they were believed to be leaderless with no one at the top they were pretty much unbeatable due to be so single minded.
As soon as it was revealed they had a leader it meant it was no longer necessary to beat all of them, the only one that needs to be defeated is the Borg Queen.
That narrowed the odds considerably, it still left a sizeable gap in technology but that can be mitigated given time, which is exactly what happened.
Q really did Picard a solid that day.
As long as they were believed to be leaderless with no one at the top they were pretty much unbeatable due to be so single minded.
As soon as it was revealed they had a leader it meant it was no longer necessary to beat all of them, the only one that needs to be defeated is the Borg Queen.
That narrowed the odds considerably, it still left a sizeable gap in technology but that can be mitigated given time, which is exactly what happened.
Q really did Picard a solid that day.
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