Spoilers Star Trek: Picard General Discussion Thread

[Lord Garth]

Hell, many episodes of the Berman Era didn't even have opening stardates. Just cold starts right in the middle of some sort of action. No stardates being mentioned isn't a new thing.

Yup. That's true. Though if someone went from TNG (where stardates and log entries were in almost every episode) directly to Picard, they might think, "Wait a minute. What?" In theory.

No one I know who went from TNG to PIC has had any problem with the lack of stardates.

 

[cooleddie74]

ENT didn't even have Earth calendar dates for every episode.

 

[Lord Garth]

On a related note: I think the entire series will take place in 2399. Every episode rolls into the next and I don't think they'll have any time-skips.

 

[SurvivorJoe]

Apologies if this has already been discussed somewhere...

Over the weekend I put on a few of the Trek movies while doing some stuff around the house, and one of them was The Motion Picture, which I think I've only ever fully watched once before, many years ago. Having earlier that day watched the most recent episode of Picard, of course my ears perked up during TMP when they mention how V'Ger went through a black hole and encountered a planet of living machines. Now we have Picard and co. traveling through a Borg transwarp conduit on their way to a planet of synthetic beings.

Now I hardly think the writers of Picard are planning on linking things back to Star Trek: The Motion Picture of all things, but it was still hard not to consider the similarities. Two planets of artificial lifeforms out there somewhere?

 

[think]

well,..

Apologies if this has already been discussed somewhere...

Over the weekend I put on a few of the Trek movies while doing some stuff around the house, and one of them was The Motion Picture, which I think I've only ever fully watched once before, many years ago. Having earlier that day watched the most recent episode of Picard, of course my ears perked up during TMP when they mention how V'Ger went through a black hole and encountered a planet of living machines. Now we have Picard and co. traveling through a Borg transwarp conduit on their way to a planet of synthetic beings.

Now I hardly think the writers of Picard are planning on linking things back to Star Trek: The Motion Picture of all things, but it was still hard not to consider the similarities. Two planets of artificial lifeforms out there somewhere?

that would be like linking the discovery .. to the enterprise. within the Klingon war set. it would be a big surprise I have not seen this discussed but I did see the discussion of the Borg putting V'Ger together or those Mud people androids in the original series. so yeah --- it might not connect well .. but yeah I watched the last episode of TNG and was surprised about how different their predictions were in that part one to ... what is happening now.. years later. ---
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so really with all the spoiler alerts going on in the forum here maybe this forum show have just a general Spoiler alert before you even enter the forum.. really the whole thread sets are all red spoilers ...

 

[The Old Mixer]

so really with all the spoiler alerts going on in the forum here maybe this forum show have just a general Spoiler alert before you even enter the forum.. really the whole thread sets are all red spoilers ...

That should level out somewhat when the last episode of the season is past the forum's two-week spoiler threshold, at which point any episode can be discussed openly in here.

 

[Amasov]

I posted this on another thread, but, it's more appropriate here.

One thing I'm very confused on is the status of the Romulans, as a race. The destruction of Romulus, you would think, would deal a crippling blow to the Romulans, but from what I've seen, it doesn't seem to be the case. It doesn't seem as if that had any effect on them and they are just as much of a threat now as they were back during the TNG days. I suppose given the fact that it was nearly two decades earlier, they've managed to recover a bit.

 

[fireproof78]

I posted this on another thread, but, it's more appropriate here.

One thing I'm very confused on is the status of the Romulans, as a race. The destruction of Romulus, you would think, would deal a crippling blow to the Romulans, but from what I've seen, it doesn't seem to be the case. It doesn't seem as if that had any effect on them and they are just as much of a threat now as they were back during the TNG days. I suppose given the fact that it was nearly two decades earlier, they've managed to recover a bit.

But, part of it was the fact that the supernova was known to the leadership and they had begun small evacuations. Not enough to betray their hand but enough to support the continuation of some of their power.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Hell, many episodes of the Berman Era didn't even have opening stardates. Just cold starts right in the middle of some sort of action. No stardates being mentioned isn't a new thing.

DS9 rarely used statdates at all.

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I posted this on another thread, but, it's more appropriate here.

One thing I'm very confused on is the status of the Romulans, as a race. The destruction of Romulus, you would think, would deal a crippling blow to the Romulans, but from what I've seen, it doesn't seem to be the case. It doesn't seem as if that had any effect on them and they are just as much of a threat now as they were back during the TNG days. I suppose given the fact that it was nearly two decades earlier, they've managed to recover a bit.

I don't see how the information in Picard can really lead to this conclusion at all.

We haven't seen the Romulan government. We haven't seen the Romulan fleet. We've seen one planet of refugees guarded by a hundred year old ship, one murderous conspiracy relying on trickery and the borg reclamation project which is clearly supported by the Federation as well as whatever the current Romulan govt. is (all that talk of the treaty, etc).

On TNG and DS9 we saw massive fleets of Warbirds theoretically capable of smashing the hell out of Starfleet's finest and an almost fundamentally intransigent government philosophy. We're not seeing that here. It may or may not still exist in the same way, but we really don't know either way.

 

[Dukhat]

I posted this on another thread, but, it's more appropriate here.

One thing I'm very confused on is the status of the Romulans, as a race. The destruction of Romulus, you would think, would deal a crippling blow to the Romulans, but from what I've seen, it doesn't seem to be the case. It doesn't seem as if that had any effect on them and they are just as much of a threat now as they were back during the TNG days. I suppose given the fact that it was nearly two decades earlier, they've managed to recover a bit.

That's what Star Trek '09 would have us believe, since Spock implies that the supernova was something that caught everyone by surprise. PIC retcons that implication. The Tal Shiar survive in total because they apparently had their own fleet to use to escape. However, I'm not sure I'd say that they're 'just as much of a threat now as they were back during the TNG days,' since at least the idea of scientific cooperation with the Federation on the Artifact is something that never would have happened during TNG.

 

[Amasov]

That's what Star Trek '09 would have us believe, since Spock implies that the supernova was something that caught everyone by surprise. PIC retcons that implication. The Tal Shiar survive in total because they apparently had their own fleet to use to escape. However, I'm not sure I'd say that they're 'just as much of a threat now as they were back during the TNG days,' since at least the idea of scientific cooperation with the Federation on the Artifact is something that never would have happened during TNG.

True. At the end of the day, I'm just curious as to what the status of them is a race.

And to add to that, the respective prequel comics even retcon each other. I mean, obviously, literary Star Trek is its own separate thing, but, I was sure that it was said someplace that since these are written to set up the events of Star Trek 2009 and Picard, they were official canon.

The Countdown comic series written to set up the 24th century side of Star Trek 2009 tells an entirely different story regarding the supernova than the Picard Countdown comics do. And since Kurtzman had a hand in both, I was sort of surprised that he didn't retain what happened in Countdown '09.

However, when I think about it more, it makes perfect sense since the '09 prequel comics would directly contradict much of what the plot of Picard is.

 

[Tuskin38]

DS9 rarely used statdates at all.

DS9 used the word 90 times, while TNG used it 329 times.
Note this is all utterances of the word, not just uses in logs.

Voyager used it 184 times.

Me discovering that transcript site has done wonders.

 

[fireproof78]

I was sure that it was said someplace that since these are written to set up the events of Star Trek 2009 and Picard, they were official canon.

They were...until they were not. 09 Countdown pretty much got retconned with Nemesis and Picard so its out.

 

[Lord Garth]

With Discovery, they'll have a chance to redo time-keeping entirely from scratch. Presumably Discovery will still have logs from time to time, like they did during the first two seasons. But without being in the TOS Era, they won't have everything that was wrong with TOS Stardates.

Kelvin Stardates would work best, IMO. But that would be red meat for people who want to find a way to say, "See?! It's the Kelvin Timeline!!!!"

 

[Phily B]

Chabon really seems to know his onions and engages the fans really well looking at Instagram.

I hope shit doesn't change too much when he leaves as show runner.

 

[cooleddie74]

I really don't like the fact that he's leaving but with any luck it'll be a Manny Coto situation wherein somebody who understands the franchise well enough to come in and take over without any decline in quality is the person we get.

 

[Thomas Elliot]

How can Dahj get into the Daystrom Institute for artificial intelligence and yet she never heard of thee Lt. Commander Data, the only sentient life form known throughout the Federation, Klingon Empire and the Romulan Empire?

 

[DaveyNY]

How can Dahj get into the Daystrom Institute for artificial intelligence and yet she never heard of thee Lt. Commander Data, the only sentient life form known throughout the Federation, Klingon Empire and the Romulan Empire?

Obviously, it was blocked from her memory when she was created.
And probably every time she inquired about anything related to it from her PADD, it put her to sleep.

 

[trekfan_1]

Obviously, it was blocked from her memory when she was created.
And probably every time she inquired about anything related to it from her PADD, it put her to sleep.

Plausible explanation but I wonder how she would pass any exams about Soong's work (which undoubtedly would be included within the curriculums she would encounter leading up to Daystrom). . It would be like trying to get an astrophysics degree without studying Einstein .