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We have to remember that starship movement was entirely dictated by the ability of the model to be manipulated consistently.

There are cases even in TNG/DS9 era where we saw ships of similar size (Ambassador and Nebula class) turn *really* tightly

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Even if it was daft, I don't care. I loved it. Loved every second of seeing the Enterprise-D back onscreen.

And that's totally ok. If we were all alike the world would be very boring. But you're wrong lol. But you accept it being absolutely daft so yeah, enjoy. Fair play to you boss. Just have a real issue with people who say it's great. 10/10. Where does that leave real masterpieces? Have some perspective.
 
huh? I'm sure the writers of TNG had all sorts of ideas about the ship's maneuverability on paper that were quashed by the SFX budget and bean counters/.

How did Kirk's Enterprise manoeuvre? Do you like yo yo's? I honestly never know if you're coming or going.
 
That is incorrect. The rest mass is constant, yes. But mass and energy are equivalent. So when the relativistic energy increases, it is equivalent to the relativistic mass increasing.

Here is the equation. We can see that the relativistic mass equals the rest mass when v is very small compared to the speed of light but the relativistic mass increases as the velocity v approaches the speed of light c.

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That equation is for total relativistic energy. There is no such thing as relativistic mass. As I said, that’s a misunderstanding / misinterpretation of special relativity. The mass is the mass, and it is a Lorentz invariant quantity. Specifically, it is the length of the energy-momentum four vector:

m^2 = E^2 - p^2

This relation is true in any reference frame (I.e. it constrains what values the relativistic energy E and relativistic momentum p can take on).

anyway, tldr. Trust me! :beer:
 
We have to remember that starship movement was entirely dictated by the ability of the model to be manipulated consistently.

There are cases even in TNG/DS9 era where we saw ships of similar size (Ambassador and Nebula class) turn *really* tightly

When we see the Enterprise-D saucer crashing in Star Trek: Generations or Voyager crashing in VOY: "Timeless" they move much more like present-day aircraft than we might expect. Partly this is due to "reality would look unrealistic" – people are used to seeing what aircraft look like when they land/crash, but not giant spacecraft many times the size and mass of today's largest ocean-going vessels. The Enterprise-D saucer is over five times the length of a Boeing 747 which means her glide speed just before she hits the ground is terrifyingly high (something like 800km/h-1,000km/h) – and assuming she's the same density as Voyager she weighs an eye-watering 4 million tons:

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Voyager
's larger than a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier and weighs 700,000 tons, and yet it skids across that glacier like a Cessna overshooting a runway:

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To be blunt, there's no way these ships could move this way if they weren't subspace-fielding/inertial-damping to shit and negating a lot of their momentum/inertia – and certainly there's no way there'd have been any survivors from the Enterprise-D crash. So we've already seen evidence that these massive spacecraft can move like comparatively small aircraft under certain circumstances, and do tremendous force negation even when they're under extreme duress.
 
Voyager crashed at a way higher speed. Remember they came out of slipstream.

Yes, but they weren't going that fast relatively speaking when they came out of slipstream. It didn't impact the planet at slipstream speeds. Which is probably just as well for the planet.
 
When we see the Enterprise-D saucer crashing in Star Trek: Generations or Voyager crashing in VOY: "Timeless" they move much more like present-day aircraft than we might expect. Partly this is due to "reality would look unrealistic" – people are used to seeing what aircraft look like when they land/crash, but not giant spacecraft many times the size and mass of today's largest ocean-going vessels. The Enterprise-D saucer is over five times the length of a Boeing 747 which means her glide speed just before she hits the ground is terrifyingly high (something like 800km/h-1,000km/h) – and assuming she's the same density as Voyager she weighs an eye-watering 4 million tons:

lzPK8r7.gif


Voyager
's larger than a Nimitz-class aircraft carrier and weighs 700,000 tons, and yet it skids across that glacier like a Cessna overshooting a runway:

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To be blunt, there's no way these ships could move this way if they weren't subspace-fielding/inertial-damping to shit and negating a lot of their momentum/inertia – and certainly there's no way there'd have been any survivors from the Enterprise-D crash. So we've already seen evidence that these massive spacecraft can move like comparatively small aircraft under certain circumstances, and do tremendous force negation even when they're under extreme duress.

Has anyone done calculations on just how much stress the ships would be under at those impact speeds, and if there's any known materials that could withstand it? My gut instinct is that, with that much mass impacting that quickly, nothing we know how to make or could even hypothetically ever know how to make would survive.
 
The ship’s hull and frame is made out of tritanium alloy.
Pretty much a fantasy substance.
Let’s assume it not only has a very high stress tolerance but also shock absorbing qualities?
 
I vote 10 I really like d how this season finale wrapped up Tng Character story lines and our favorite Tng crew survived the Borg. The Borg Queen was scary and the design reminded me of David Cronenberg and it was cool to see the Enterprise and the Titan saving the day and saving Earth from the Borg and saving Star fleet at the same time and finding a way to stop the Changelings too. I wish they'd had a scene with Soji Meeting Data that would've been nice to see and Laris and Picard reunited tooI was happy Jack Crusher survived and want to see a Star Trek Legacy series with Seven in command of the Enterprise G. And Geordi's daughters and the other Titan crew members that came back. Please Paramount bring back Terry Matalas and make it so!:bolian::beer::biggrin:
 
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