Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

Given that there are presumably more than a dozen Changelings spread out across the Federation, I guess it'd have to be one of these answers. If it was made clear in the show, I didn't catch it though.

I also have to assume this was something that didn't make it to the screen. The person speaking to Vadic via her arm thing wasn't the Queen at least, afaik.

 

That's actually a big question I have about the season... how did those Changelings and Borg meet? Who found who first?

I feel like it's implied the Queen and Vadic never actually met, and the Borg Queen was using rattle sabering tactics to scare the Changelings. If there is one thing ANY species should be afraid of, it's the Borg.

 

Probably a website about hating the Federation.

 

So...The Trek BBS.

 

It wasn't made clear in the show. All they said was Odo contacted Worf about members of the link being unhappy with losing the war and left to plot something against starfleet. It really doesn't make sense when you think about the details. Because did they leave long ago and Odo only recently told Worf? Or if they had left recently they couldn't have done everything they did so far.

Terry Matalas has confirmed on twitter Vadic was speaking to the Borg Queen. But then again, why did the BQ have a completely different voice when speaking with Vadic than she did when speaking to Picard in person? Writers obviously wanted to hide the borg reveal, but there needs to be an in-universe explanation that makes some kind of sense. It just seems like really sloppy writing. The same kind of issues I had with season 2.

 

Meat-holograms tend to distort your voice quite a lot.

 

I have the same question. And how did discussion about Picard's body come about?

BQ: Vadic, I have sensed a transmitter that can destroy the federation. He sees a red door (Vadic knew about the red door). But I need the body of Picard so we can extract some DNA from his brain and distribute it to starfleet.
Vadic: Picard died, but our changelings have found out that his body is in Daystrom. We'll get it.
Vadic: Hey, why don't you just use the DNA from other borg drones? They all receive information from the collective like Locutus did?

 

91 pages already...

I finally watched it. Very nice. Initial thoughts:

* It was nice to see everyone back together around the poker table.


* I actually cried when Tuvok denied Seven's resignation. God, I love Tim Russ.


* I don't see the point in dragging the Enterprise F on screen only to do nothing with it then shuffle it off to rechristen the Titan as Enterprise G.

But okay.

That's what they did.


* I'm not usually a big fan of Spiner playing roles that aren't Data.

I only really think he's good as Data.

But this 'Nu' Data is a really nice, distinct and subtle character.

Much better than the emotion chip histrionics we got in the movies.


* Q.

Q...

I'm not saying they did, but there is a case to be made for Season 3 'correcting' much of what whoever didn't like about Season 2.

New Borg hand-waved and then Q is alright (I know I shouldn't think so linearly, but... well, that's a hand wave in itself).

I don't mind that they did either thing, but I do think there's a case to be made.

Nepenthe as well...


* No Laris...

Actually, seriously, what the fuck?

Why no Laris?


* Nice job on the D bridge, but as I said last week, it still feels like a conjuring trick.

I wish we'd have seen a corridor or two, the transporter room... I dunno.

As it was it felt like the turbolifts were the 'wings' of a theatre stage and folks just waited in there to make their entrances.

I didn't get a full sense of the environment that is the D.

But still, nice job.


Overall, PIC is a show I like, but despite getting a lot of things right there are still some deep problems with this season. Problems with the show overall, I think. I really wish someone had sat down at the beginning and basically plotted out a three season plan, but it is what it is. IIRC, they didn't know the ending to Season 1 while they were filming it.

So it's a mess, but seeing the TNG crew together makes it a joyous mess at least. 8/10

 

I entirely agree. I really liked the SNW World War III retcon.It's very clever folding what we knew from DS9 about America's social disruption in the 2020s into a deteriorating international situation in the 2030s (that we knew from TOS, TNG, DS9 and Enterprise) into iit all being the prelude World War III, and then roping in our current real world social upheaval, labeling it as "America's Second Civil War" (which is a bit hyperbolic, but its fine for the story), as the opening stages of World War III. And true enough, World War II and World War I both had antecedents that could be seen in the same light. So too did the Napoleonic Wars - not just the French Revolution but the American Revolution and the restart of large scale liberal democracy for the first time since antiquity. Continuity purists may not love it, but I absolutely love how it makes so much more sense than the old explanations.

 

Watched it again there now. Good lord, it's awful. The last two episodes are the equivalent of a prize fighter coasting through the first 10 rounds, thinking they have this bout no problem, and then suddenly catching wind of the scorecards. Suddenly realising that they have to knock the other person out, so just starts throwing haymaker after haymaker; no thought, no reason behind them. Just the hope of winning of winning is enough. Just the hope of love is enough here. A hug killed the Borg. I mean, come on.

 

It would have to make sense for them to have been in action for a long time, first to meet the Borg somehow, then to actually replace all their victims (and create some kind of jail for them to keep them all alive for some reason)... which means Starfleet Intelligence may have known about it all along. That said, this is the same organization that was taken over by rogue Romulans a few years ago in this timeline, so it's also possible that they're all incompetent. lol

Well... that makes no sense based on the show I watched at least. I just assumed it was one of her lieutenants or something, but we know there aren't many Borg left either.

 

So how are the Borg controlling them?

 

And why not? Last season the Borg gave up thanks to a three minute argument from Jurati.

 

They also thought one and done, and Stewart had his own stipulations.

 

As Huey Lewis has said, the power of love is a curious thing!

 

Good.

 

I suspect the Enterprise blowing up the transmission beacon and destroying the cube had something to do with the Borg being destroyed.

 

Don't watch any of NuTrek. First seasons of Picard and Discovery were enough for me (never finished them - horrific). Only watched this season because of the band getting back together. I like good writing, that's it. I'm willing to accept the odd plot contrivance once there's a consistency of character and a basically decent plot. We've had none of that here. I love the first 3 or 4 seasons of Game of Thrones because the novels are fantastically woven. They're a bit meandering (like me) but there's such quality there in terms of character and consistency. The last few seasons are atrocious, just like this. It's a trainwreck. Honestly.

 

Eh. Tax evasion took down Al Capone. The Borg spent centuries spreading pain, destruction and loss just to enhance themselves. If one human's love for his child finally delivered the death blow to the Collective then I'm cool with that.

 

Picard going into the collective was about saving Jack.

The Enterprise destroying the beacon and setting off the collapse and explosion of the cube is what took out the Borg.

That should have been obvious to anyone watching the episode