Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x10 - "The Last Generation"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Apr 19, 2023.

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  1. jackoverfull

    jackoverfull Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I wondered if those quarters were meant to be on the D or not. The set was so generic they could have been on any ship.

    agreed. But that’s no surprise with only ten episodes and plenty of already developed characters to focus on.
     
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  2. Deks

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    That was just a couple of fleets put together... by no means it was the totality of SF put together... another fleet was on its way if I recall correctly, but they ran out of time as the mine field was coming down so they had to launch sooner... and when Worf brought the Klingons, this helped SF penetrate the Dominion/Cardassian fleet and make it to DS9 (incidentally, the ships Gowron did send helped SF to collapse Cardassian/Dominion lines and 200 ships were said to be on their way to DS9, close behind the Defiant).
     
  3. Nerys Myk

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    You've got a full cast of "Special guest stars" sapping up budget and time. Shaw, Seven and Raffi are lucky to get the time they got! :lol:
     
  4. KamenRiderBlade

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    We concur on the quantity of ships.
     
  5. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I take back what I said about the remaining Changeling infiltrators, BTW. I hadn't yet SEEN the ep when I posted that. I had no idea it could become an automatic part of every transport process.

    But that being said, when that one Changeling IS detected (after coming off the transporter pad) and the security officers immediately take him into custody...why doesn't he fight back? He should be able to kill them both in an instant.
     
  6. Deks

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    At any rate, the close to 60 odd ships we saw at Frontier Day in SOL should not be the entirety of SF... just the ships that were likely nearby and were able to attend... otherwise, SF would have to pull ships from their borders, deep space missions, humanitarian and diplomatic missions, and that's just utterly unrealistic (even for Trek).

    And I think they 'kinda' went back on the idea that the fleet in SOL was the entirety of SF in the final episode... because it wouldn't make sense if it was.
     
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  7. Paul Weaver

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    If they are exes that’s one thing, although still a potential issue. If one is put in a position where they have to order their spouse to their death? Or relieve their spouse of command?

    We’ve seen the conflict in episodes like Lessons even when there is no immediate chain of command, and of course the whole Worf/Dax thing
     
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  8. Timelord Victorious

    Timelord Victorious Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Element of surprise?
    Also what would be the point?
    They know they got busted and can be detected.
    Resistance would have been death.
     
  9. Mr. Laser Beam

    Mr. Laser Beam Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I liked her on SVU, but not so much here.

    At the very least it should have been able to turn into goo and scamper off into a heating duct before anyone knew what was up. We have SEEN Changelings do that before. Hell, we even saw Vadic do it in the Titan's sickbay!
     
  10. Nerys Myk

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    Not a top of the line model.
     
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  11. shyborg

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    My head cannon says their body is breaking down or weak. Or possibly Crusher added something to make them easier to apprehend
     
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  12. Deks

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    Maybe he couldn't its possible that whatever changes Beverly did to the transporter may have temporarily and partly blocked the changelings ability to shapeshift. We saw him morphing, but not being able to morph.
    I know this was only done to illustrate visually that the guy was a changeling, but it also could have implied that his ability to shapeshift was temporarily halted and they basically locked him to his humanoid form for the time being (it was done to Odo back in DS9 after all).
     
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  13. Rusty0918

    Rusty0918 Commander Red Shirt

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    Ah yes! Of course I remember that thingamajig that Garak used to lock Odo in his solid state in the 3rd season DS9 episode "The Die is Cast."
     
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  14. jaime

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    Annular confinement beams are inherently part of transporters (an atomic/molecular force field/tractor beam) so they should pretty much always be able to hold a changeling in one form. It’s basically how we are told they work. That and Heisenberg compensators making sure SF know where and what every lump of goo is. XD
     
  15. Scionz

    Scionz Commander Red Shirt

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    Tell that to the USS Yorktown. Or the USS Sao Paulo.
     
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  16. thribs

    thribs Vice Admiral Admiral

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    I know but she should still do her years at the academy. It’s only fair.
     
  17. Sketcher

    Sketcher Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    What legacy does the Titan really have? I don't read the novels or play the games, so the Titan to me has only been a few mentions in Nemesis, and some appearances in Lower Decks and Picard.
     
  18. Nerys Myk

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    Be a waste of everyone's time. Should the entire Bajoran Militia be sent to four years at the Academy before being absorbed into Starfleet?
     
  19. Scionz

    Scionz Commander Red Shirt

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    Titan's a fine name. Enterprise is *the* name.
    There was nothing wrong with Yorktown either. Or Sao Paulo.

    It's not canon but the Enterprise-E was likely a renamed ship too, because it was at nearly done building, and maybe even in shipbuilder trials, when the Enterprise D was destroyed. The D's crew got a finished ship that very well might have been the second sovereign ever built that wasn't going to be "Enterprise" either.

    The name means a everything to Starfleet clearly, as shown by the Enterprise-F being the master of ceremonies of Frontier Day and not the Hikaru Sulu (the other Odyssey Class ship) or any of the Ross class ships.

    And most saliently, making it the 1701G makes Season 3 the ships origin story, And everything featuring Seven of Nine the origin story of the next Enterprise's captain. It makes for a better story. It enhances the franchise over some dumb last minute 10 second reveal of a ship we feel nothing for and haven't seen anything of. In that case, might as well have given Seven of Nine command of the Enterprise-F.

    Of course that would just change the complaint to "what about the Andorian captain from Star Trek Online?!?!"

    Matalas made the right call and it isn't close. The dissent is wrong. It's more focused on a non-existent rule than what makes for a better production. There is far more gained by going down the chosen route, than the alternative.
     
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  20. thribs

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    Even the Enterprise E was going to be called the USS Sentinel before the D was destroyed.