Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x07 - "Dominion"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Mar 29, 2023.

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  1. Agony_Boothb

    Agony_Boothb Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Insurrection isn't set after the war. The War is spoken of multiple times throughout the film in the present tense. Memory Alpha speculates the events of Insurrection takes place between 'It's only a paper moon' and 'Field of Fire'. Also the Federation were not trying to make peace with the Son'a. It's made very clear in the conversation between Admiral Dougherty and Picard that the Son'a were considered outlaws and that they were just using the Son'a for the technology they had that could mine the rings of the Ba'ku planet. The Son'a were only co-operating because the planet was in Federation territory.

    Although I think you're right about Winn and Dukat in the Fire caves. They spent a ridiculous amount of time down there.
     
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  2. Jaimito

    Jaimito Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Gets better every episode

    Spiner is like Gollum/Smeagle.
    Tuvok and the Voyager theme.
    Sec 31 bioweapon experiments

    This series ties up TOS, TNG, Voyager, and DS9 all in one.
     
  3. jaime

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    It’s interesting and possible to read it as *one* changeling split into ten. Or could even still be a part of Odo. For all we know, changelings are like starfish.
     
  4. 1001001

    1001001 Serial Canon Violator Moderator

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    Meh.

    Vadic is completely uninteresting as a villain. That thing she reports to (closed captioning calls it "Face")...?? Okay I guess.

    So is Jack a Pah Wraith or something?

    I don't know. I hope they stick the landing, but IMHO Picard is 0-2.

    A Generous "7".
     
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  5. Pubert

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    An OK episode. I rated the others higher. It seems they are stretching this out a bit long. The main thing I did not like is that Picard and Beverly were going to outright murder Vadic after hearing that she was tortured and experimented on. Never would have happened in the tv show or even movies. Totally out of character for both of them.
     
  6. Quantum21

    Quantum21 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    There is no doubt the Feds dropped the ball on this one, HOWEVER if the Founders hadn't already been hell bent on genocide or persecution of solids and reacted as they did, there could have been a negotiated peace on their respective sides of the Wormhole.
     
  7. ToddCam

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    The discussion of watching something you hate and why anyone would do so from a couple of pages back reminds me of how I have this project where I am trying to catalogue all media in some way, and I subjected myself to the three part That's So Raven/The Suite Life of Zack and Cody/Hannah Montana crossover.
     
  8. Quantum21

    Quantum21 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Interesting, because for me it's the first time I had any interest in Vadic.

    I disagree, it would have been totally logical to kill Vadic, save the crew, and recapture the ship. All things a captain/Admiral and doctor would do.

    They did in fact have these ethical conversations before in TNG ("I, Borg" for one) about indirect, mass killing. They made the choice to do it.
     
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  9. jaime

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    They make a point of discussing how out of character it is, and it’s a recurring theme how parenthood changes you in the season. If they had just shrugged and shot… it would be bad. But the discussion, and the fact we do not *know* they are going to execute her (could just be more good cop bad cop, but frankly I think Beverly is at breaking point — and people have already died at Vadics hand and order.) make it acceptable in context.
     
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  10. Citiprime

    Citiprime Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I think she's channeling her father's performance from The Undiscovered Country.

    Someone who genuinely believes that they have reasons to be doing what they're doing, but revels in tormenting those that she feels are threats to her interests.
     
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  11. Pubert

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    Maybe they weren't going to go through with it but it didn't feel right. If it was section 31 that did the torture than starfleet is responsible for all of this.
     
  12. jaime

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    31 was explicitly not Starfleet though, it’s from section 31 of the federation charter. Which is what’s at the heart of all this really. At least Matalas remembered 31 are the villains. (Though whether that’s their lock up on daystrom is a good question)
     
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  13. Citiprime

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    That distinction between Section 31 and Starfleet is really only on paper and arguably only exists to give the Federation and Starfleet plausible deniability.

    It's made clear in DS9 that the top brass of Starfleet is in some cases aware of Section 31 and looks the other way. Admiral Ross conspired with them, and both Sisko and Julian ran into interference from Starfleet Command when they attempted to pursue any attempt to out and stop the organization.
     
  14. Tomalak

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    Oh absolutely, their paranoia and fear of persecution lead to the Founders building the whole Dominion to keep people away from them. They feared anything they could not control.

    When faced with a Federation driven by insatiable curiosity that couldn't take no for an answer, it's no wonder they viewed the Alpha Quadrant powers as an existential threat. And they had good reason to believe that given subsequent events.
     
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  15. Pubert

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    Right. It's starfleet's fault.
     
  16. fireproof78

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    Vadic remains my main interest this season.
     
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  17. Annorax849

    Annorax849 Commander Red Shirt

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    Right, I forgot Martok and the child
     
  18. TimeIsAPredator

    TimeIsAPredator Commodore Commodore

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    Yes but is she only able to mimic humans is what I am saying. She seems locked into either goo or human form.
     
  19. jaime

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    I’ve always read that as showing how powerful 31 is, rather than a sign of co-operation from Starfleet itself. Though personally, I have never been a fan of 31, or the Pandora’s box it opened.
     
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  20. David cgc

    David cgc Admiral Premium Member

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    It was written to take place between season six and seven of DS9 (if you look for it, you can see them try to hide a trim when Picard first sees Worf and they have to move out of their dialog early because Picard immediately congratulates him on his marriage as-shot). MA puts it where it does because there's a string of three episodes where Worf isn't around, but there's not really any one perfect place to drop the movie.

    Does 31 take orders from anyone? Can the Starfleet CinC give them an order? Can the Federation President direct their actions? Putting aside DSC and STID for now, in DS9, Section 31 seemed to be pretty much independent. They claimed to be acting with some kind of civil authority, but how could they be? As for Admiral Ross working with them and Starfleet Command covering for them, I'm sure, say, the mafia has had influence over military and government figures, and could coerce people into helping their schemes or discouraging investigations, but that doesn't mean that the distinction between the mob the U.S. military is "only on paper" and exists to give America plausible deniability about the activities of organized crime.

    In DS9, 31 was depicted as a gang of ex-Starfleet people. Well-connected and well-supplied, but a gang nevertheless, independent of the larger social order.
     
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