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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x03 - "Seventeen Seconds"

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Oh yeeeeeeah!!

Of course, some say Trek fans are a cult, so...

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What’s interesting is they chose to do it that way, rather than Picard and Riker using override codes in an emergency after Shaw was incapacitated.

Big ship like the Titan should have had a third in command in her crew, and not resorted to a visitor.
 
Ethics question for everyone: Of course, the mother always has the ultimate decision of what to do for her baby (the body is hers).

But do you think the mother (from a moral / ethical point of view) always has the right to hide the birth of a child from her father? I mean not just in cases where the latter would be a bad influence on the child, but as a general rule.

Unless the father is a horrible person, telling the father is the best thing to do for the child. Another adult to learn from, an alternate caregiver in case the mother is sick, injured, etc.

Did Beverly have any other family who could be a caregiver when Jack was small?
 
Picard is in good company..

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At least Kasidy had enough confidence in Ben to tell him about it.
 
But even *today* morning-after pills *exist*. It's more "how would Crusher actually get pregnant given what we know about 18th century technology"

And even now in the 21st century there's birth control that can be placed and forgotten about for several years.

Sad that we've regressed by Star Trek's time.
 
We both share a love for MASH. And I've recently finished my complete rewatch. First time I've watched it in quite a while. The transformation from the early seasons to later seasons is huge. The early seasons reminded me of the teen comedies with debauchery and getting around an authoritarian environment. Lots of sexism, etc.

But by later seasons, many of the characters were highly aspirational. Hawkeye with his pacifism, Potter with his wisdom, BJ with his love of family. Mulcahey. Even Klinger who always went the extra mile! Even Houlihan became a bit aspirational with her dedication to duty, once she got over herself!

I'd just add that aspirational characters don't have to be heroes. I don't really have fictional heroes. But I also don't like to watch jerks and over the top melodrama. At least the early seasons of MASH were very funny, and the main characters were basically good people finding a way to survive a nuts environment. (Which is actually a bit aspirational!)

I return you to your ST discussion now!

Whenever MASH changed characters, they got better better people. Blake goes and Potter comes: Potter doesn't have a mistress or chase the nurses, and is a much better CO. Trapper goes and BJ comes: BJ doesn't chance nurses, is completely family-oriented, and not trying to get away with things, and just wants the war to be over so he can go home. Frank goes and Charles comes: Frank was a "lousy surgeon and rotten human being" full of hypocrisy and fake patriotism and not very bright. Charles is possibly the best surgeon in the camp and can even keep up with Hawkeye and BJ in repartee. Houlihan was not replaced but evolved: she kept pretty extreme patriotism, but at least stopped dating Frank and after her marriage failed stopped feeling like she had to have a man to be a complete woman.
 
Unless the father is a horrible person, telling the father is the best thing to do for the child. Another adult to learn from, an alternate caregiver in case the mother is sick, injured, etc.
It's the 24th Century Utopia. We've moved past the need for such things.
 
Excellent episode. I am just watching Picard now - I wait until I buy the discs. Seasons 1 and 2 didn't seem to have the character building that I enjoy, and season 3 is much better.

Beverly's decision to shut out Picard was a mistake, but understandable for her.

For a service under military discipline, you'd think they'd be more conscious of who got to give the orders at any given time: a visiting retired admiral and visiting captain probably have no authority as long as there are any officers assigned to the ship at all. I feel like I'm re-watching TOS "The Deadly Years" except now Commodore Stocker was the Good Guy.

I think Michael Dorn is a better actor now than he was in DS9. (Or maybe it's just that they're doing only 10 episodes a season and there's time to rehearse and get some sleep during the shooting season?) Excellent chemistry with Raffi.

I'm looking forward to finding out if this is a group of Founders from the Great Link, or the changelings that were in the Alpha Quadrant after the Dominion War and didn't get back, or Laas and the Hundred. Or some combination.
 
Unless the father is a horrible person, telling the father is the best thing to do for the child. Another adult to learn from, an alternate caregiver in case the mother is sick, injured, etc.

Did Beverly have any other family who could be a caregiver when Jack was small?
Well, at this point everyone agrees that Beverly did a very stupid and unethical thing. :)
 
Sheesh, this show should be getting people to buy 80" screens, it looks so good!

I like the recaps; especially in that my gripe about "tech" was a bit overblown as one key line with "technology unknown" had put a big smile on my face. (And this episode really hits the spot with so many poignant and great bits of dialogue... honestly, the 90s films are a thing, but the tone that PIC3 has set is what would have been so much better back in the day. But it was the 90s... )

The character building and tone is nothing less than magnificent. The first 20 minutes alone are spellbinding, but it only gets better afterward. Such an effective mix of styles, and the payoff with the Picard/Riker speech at the beginning with the cliffhanger leading to dire straits... dayum, this was one character twist I really wasn't expecting, in a season loaded with positive twists...

Indeed, knowing how Picard had a kid, not quite unlike Kirk but nothing approaching Kirk either, the lack of time and details - the explanation of how Jack could remain "hidden". I'll buy into it. This story is such an easy rewatch that I'll undoubtedly follow up later. But the first impression really hits the spot. So much dialogue that really ups the ante on top of everything else.

Worf and Raffi also are nothing less than magnificent.

Ditto for Ms Plummer, whose understated approach to the cool delivery of Vadik never ceases to amaze.

The shapeshifter reveal and Worf's monologue still impress - there's no reason that they couldn't have returned to other storylines than where I know this season is going but they did those revelations well.

Titus proved that wearing eyeliner should make a comeback. The New Wave/New Romantics style should never have become passe to begin with. Or the ancient Egyptians as they wore it too. Trends come and go, it seems. More than my ex, but I digress.

The direction in this season is already great, but this one seems a notch better.

The portal weapon is really used well. I've not had a jaw-drop reaction in a long time, and I had seen some clips before from this episode. That's how great this episode is.

Anyone here remember the Commodore Amiga/IBM PC video game "Rise of the Dragon"? The M'talas planet bar scenes reminds me vaguely of that game. Oh, the early-90s with those interactive computer games that told immersive stories along with the whiz-bang adventure seem unique now. (This isn't a slag; it's a lovely if not unintentional parallel, and video games and tv shows/movies both interchange ideas, since "Aliens" was a first-person shooter long before that genre even got developed, et cetera, et cetera... well, technically the first FPS came out in 1992 but really didn't its stride for a few more years after, and who needs "Wolfenstein 3D" when "Beyond Castle Wolfenstein" was engaging for its own reasons? )

9.75 or 10/10.
 
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