Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x03 - "Seventeen Seconds"

[fireproof78]

As my psychology advisor in college would say, "It's an unintentional pregnancy, but if you had sex it isn't an accidental pregnancy. Every time you have sex and don't get pregnant biology goes 'Nuts, another missed opportunity."

People are just stupid when it comes to sex.

 

[Tuskin38]

I think it's literally impossible in the 25th century having an unwanted pregnancy (I mean, it probably is today too if you have access to contraception and morning-after pills). It can't be just an "accident".

It happened in DS9.

 

[Skipper]

People are just stupid when it comes to sex.

Yes, but what about after sex? With 24th century technology she could, I don't know, track the sperms in real time and teleport them away before they fertilized the egg! I'm exaggerating, but the point is that during the conversation she made it seem like an unpredictable event. Are we to believe she only noticed this when she missed her first period?

 

[Turtletrekker]

It happened in DS9.

If I recall correctly, Kassidy admonished Ben that he had "forgotten to take his injection" or some such?

 

[fireproof78]

Yes, but what about after sex? With 24th century technology she could, I don't know, track the sperms in real time and teleport them away before they fertilized the egg! I'm exaggerating, but the point is that during the conversation she made it seem like an unpredictable event. Are we to believe she only noticed this when she missed her first period?

I would find that extremely hard to believe.

 

[Paul755]

If I recall correctly, Kassidy admonished Ben that he had "forgotten to take his injection" or some such?

yup. I think Sisko even mentions that Bashir reminded him to get it done.

 

[Anduinel]

I could see them making a new show with these characters. Some combination of Raffi, Elnor, Seven, and Worf (we know Dorn was interested in a series, at least).

That's my hope. I was doing a rewatch with a friend this morning, and we were talking about how we really liked Worf and Raffi together, but it felt like his mentor approach would work even better with a younger, less seasoned character, like Soji, Elnor, or even Jack. And then we were like "Well, if Worf were finally captain and they were all serving on his ship..." I mean, mostly I do want Seven in the captain's chair, but I can't deny that Micheal Dorn still has mad charisma, even under the makeup.

 

[David cgc]

I think that was less about the years on the Enterprise and more about a specific, intense series of post-Nemesis/pre-PIC S1 incidents that happened when Beverly was already in emotional turmoil and Picard would have been consumed by the evacuation effort. So I guess we're supposed to take it as it wasn't so much that Picard was always in such a state of high peril, but that was his life when she had a choice to make, and even once his circumstances changed, her emotional impressions of the situation didn't.

I don't know, they've been so vague about the timeline, that it's hard to figure out what was actually going on. Did they make a go of it and then break up five times between Nemesis and Jack's conception, which is a couple of years, tops? Had they been together romantically off-screen on the E-E between movies, or even on the -D between episodes (hey, the season premiere added a subplot to BoBW)? Did this shore leave happen before or after Picard was promoted to Admiral and left the Enterprise?

I'm not saying it was healthy. Picard should not have allowed Crusher to serve on the Enterprise in the first place.

That's probably a bit too far in the other direction. The Enterprise was a plum assignment, and Crusher requested it specifically. It's possible there wasn't another open CMO slot on any of the other Galaxy-class ships, I doubt she was solely attracted to the idea of working for her dead husband's best friend who had a crush on her, just that she was willing to deal with it and thought they could all be adults. Picard overriding her and putting her off the crew after she'd been approved by his superiors would be hurting her career and, possibly, the safety of the ship depending on what alternatives were available, just because he felt awkward about it. He did offer a no-questions-asked transfer after she arrived, but it would've had to have been her choice to take the hit, it's be unethical to impose it on her for his own personal comfort.

CRUSHER: Can I help you, Captain?
PICARD: I didn't want you thinking me harsh. Cold blooded.
CRUSHER: Why, oh, why would I ever think that.
PICARD: I didn't welcome you aboard personally, professionally. I made you come to me on the Bridge. I yelled at your son. Who, as you pointed out, was quite correct. He does seem to have a very good grasp of starship operations.
CRUSHER: You've just won this mother's heart, Captain.
PICARD: Ah, but, now, your assignment here. I would consider and approve you a transfer for you.
CRUSHER: Oh. You consider me unqualified?
PICARD: Hardly. Your service record shows you're just the Chief Medical Officer I want.
CRUSHER: Then you must object to me personally.
PICARD: I'm trying to be considerate of your feelings, Doctor. For you to work with a commanding officer who would continually remind you of a terrible personal tragedy....
CRUSHER: If I had had any objections to serving with you, I wouldn't have requested this assignment, Captain.
PICARD: You requested this posting?
CRUSHER: My feelings about my husband's death will have no effect on the way I serve you, this vessel, or this mission.
PICARD: Ah. Then, welcome aboard, Doctor.

 

[Lt Mo]

yup. I think Sisko even mentions that Bashir reminded him to get it done.

As someone who lived the 21st century version of this, I find the oops kid storyline very relatable guess some things don’t change.

 

[Mitty]

When we realised it was a changeling... I actually had a few tears. We better get some very secret cameos at the very least (or dare we dream, complete storylines) of at least some DS9 characters.

 

[Agony_Boothb]

That's probably a bit too far in the other direction. The Enterprise was a plum assignment, and Crusher requested it specifically. It's possible there wasn't another open CMO slot on any of the other Galaxy-class ships, I doubt she was solely attracted to the idea of working for her dead husband's best friend who had a crush on her, just that she was willing to deal with it and thought they could all be adults. Picard overriding her and putting her off the crew after she'd been approved by his superiors would be hurting her career and, possibly, the safety of the ship depending on what alternatives were available, just because he felt awkward about it. He did offer a no-questions-asked transfer after she arrived, but it would've had to have been her choice to take the hit, it's be unethical to impose it on her for his own personal comfort.

I disagree. Picard fell in love with Beverly the moment he met her and still harbored feelings for her when she first arrived on the Enterprise. He should have been less concerned about Crusher's career and more concerned about how working with someone he was in love with may impact his leadership and decision making. Granted, they developed a solid working relationship and friendship but irrespective from a professional standpoint Picard should probably have erred on the side of caution and declined her request to serve on the Enterprise.

 

[Brainsucker]

Yes, but what about after sex? With 24th century technology she could, I don't know, track the sperms in real time and teleport them away before they fertilized the egg! I'm exaggerating, but the point is that during the conversation she made it seem like an unpredictable event. Are we to believe she only noticed this when she missed her first period?

they can just forcefield the ovum, and viola, she won't pregnant.

 

[Danja]

This was good! I sat through the whole thing!

Seven of Nine is back!

 

[Orac Zen]

He has said he would like to do more.

Yeah, I just googled up an article where he indicated that with certain (eminently sensible) conditions met he'd do more. I'd previously gained the very distinct impression he didn't so it's interesting to learn that's no longer the case (or that I was distinctly wrong ).

But it was far from toxic and neither Crusher or Picard 'gaslit' each other. That is just patently false.

100% agreed.

 

[Skywalker]

I'm still not 100% convinced yet, but unlike the first two seasons, which I thought started strong and then quickly collapsed, for me this season started off iffy and has since been getting better with each successive episode, so I hope that trend continues.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

There's been theories here about

Spoiler: Part 1

Riker being a/the Changeling (or Tom)

What about

Spoiler: Part 2

the Picard that kept pushing Riker to fight being a/the Changeling?

 

[Danja]

What about

Spoiler: Part 2

the Picard that kept pushing Riker to fight being a/the Changeling?

Where's

Spoiler

Picard Prime?

 

[Noname Given]

It happened in DS9.

But they actually addressed it in DS9 in that when talking about the situation Benjamin Sisko admitted that even though Dr. Bashir reminded him, he "missed his shot" that month.

 

[ToddCam]

Picard is in good company..

Hmm. You forgot Janeway.

 

[Nerys Myk]

At this point what reason do we have to assume that Vadic is anyone other than DS9's female changeling in a new look?

You can. Not sure about we