No justice for David, Rene and Robert?
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 3x01 - "The Next Generation"
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Has that ever stopped speculation, reckless or otherwise? It's already being declared the best season ever!
It's not just a killing off, but how it was done.
David was killed off in his second appearance in the same (film) series by a writer that co-created him. Rene and Robert were killed off after only one appearance by a co-writer that created the characters in the same (TNG/TNG film) series.
Icheb was a major re-occurring character in VGR. His death occurred "outside the lane" of VGR in a brutal, gruesome manor. Hugh was killed off because the writers were abandoning the Borg arc and didn't know what to do with him. Both spawned major backlashes the former examples did not. This can likely be explored in much further detail in episode to episode posts from 2020, Reddit, and YouTube commentary.
With the Borg revival from death process from "Mortal Coil" perhaps Hugh isn't really dead, and could make a surprise return in season 3!
Oh, it's an error. In my own defense, I've only written it a few times in the two years the character has existed. And in first of the two recent posts, I wrote or whatever her name is because I didn't remember it and admittedly was too lazy to look it up. After my second use of it, not in a direct response to me IIRC, I noted no apostrophe. But thank you for pointing out my "hypocrisy."
Geordi La Forge, however, has existed for almost 36 years, and you've probably seen it written dozens of times, if not more, and at least once in direct response to you. Since you made some joke about his name being short for George when using Geordi(e) for shorthand for another role LeVar Burton played, I wondered if I was missing a more complex joke, so that's why I asked. I was somewhat impolitic in my question, so I'm sorry for that aspect.
Honestly, if Hugh wasn't pining for the fjords, he's the mystery recurring character I'd have pegged to take Picard to task over of the consequences of his actions. Leaving a bunch of barely individualized, freshly traumatized, half-indoctrinated Borg to their own devices seems like the sort of thing that could have had very bad ripple effects.
But then, VOY was Matalas's first Trek. Maybe he does remember the healing capabilities of nanoprobes. And lord knows del Arco managed to keep his last PIC appearance under wraps for a couple years.
But then, VOY was Matalas's first Trek. Maybe he does remember the healing capabilities of nanoprobes. And lord knows del Arco managed to keep his last PIC appearance under wraps for a couple years.
Much too early to say that. I really liked the premieres of Season 1 and 2 as well and that quickly went downhill for me. I've certainly never been grabbed by Picard as I was by the Season 3 opener though. In previous seasons it wasn't unusual for me to pause an episode in the middle to make a coffee, only to get back to it a few days later.
For The Next Generation, I had to stop about 20 minutes in for a work thing, but as soon as the work thing was done I was back.
Then I rewatched it the day after. I've never felt compelled to do that with Star Trek (or much of anything else) for a long time. Usually I watch and then I'm done because I don't have time to rewatch stuff, due to the backlog of stuff I want to get on with watching...
It's the first time I've watched an episode of Picard and thought my wife might like it. I think it felt so accessible whilst also being steeped in its 'Trekkishness' (for want of a much better word). I say this as someone who watches a fair bit of television, it was good television.
My expectations are tempered, but by the first episode then things look promising. Fool me once, fool me twice... Who am I kidding? Star Trek can fool me again and again, but it's promising so far.
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Agreed. People should call someone by how that person wants to be called.
Dunno where people are getting that the UFP is the only remaining superpower from.
That Romulan fleet looked mighty impressive to me.A fleet that size with no real home world left,just at large throughout the sector?
Problem in the making.
As for Seven/Annika think of Mary McDonnell’s character in ‘Dances with wolves’,her name and whole identity was that with which she was adopted into.
That Romulan fleet looked mighty impressive to me.A fleet that size with no real home world left,just at large throughout the sector?
Problem in the making.
As for Seven/Annika think of Mary McDonnell’s character in ‘Dances with wolves’,her name and whole identity was that with which she was adopted into.
People are complaining about how unprofessional Shaw and the admirals are being vis-a-vis Picard, 7, and the Borg. They say that level of hate is uncharacteristic of Trek. But I'm sitting here watching "Redemption II" (first broadcast 1991), in which Data takes command of the Sutherland. The first officer is completely and unapologetically prejudiced against him. Nothing new here!
PS: in this episode, Guinan tells Picard that he is responsible for Tasha being on the E-C and everything that has happened as a consequence. I kinda feel this is the episode Matalas says we should really pay attention to.
PS: in this episode, Guinan tells Picard that he is responsible for Tasha being on the E-C and everything that has happened as a consequence. I kinda feel this is the episode Matalas says we should really pay attention to.
I think one thing pretty much everyone agrees on is that Nemesis was a shit sendoff to a beloved crew. I just have a feeling that this season will scratch and very long-standing itch for me and a lot of other people. It's been really nice to see so much positivity in this thread, but I think few have declared 'best season ever'.
It's about more than feels for me, though the episode wasn't short on that. It's about feeling literary justice being done to a cast of characters who mean a lot to a lot of people. I often think they should have left it for 10 years before doing a TNG movie, just to give the performers the same kind of physical change that the TOS crew underwent between Season 3 and TMP. The fact that Kirk, Spock, Bones and so on are older is part of the story of the TOS movies. TNG movies were just about continuing TNG. They have their ups and downs but they don't hang together as a body of work in the same way ST I-VI do.
DS9 and VOY had their stories definitively ended in a way that satisfied. TNG did with All Good Things, but then it four movies bolted onto the end of it. Nemesis should never have been the final curtain for the TNG crew and whatever this season turns out to be... it can't be worse can it? I don't like Picard Season 2, but I prefer it to Nemesis. That's a whole other level of Bad Trek.
It's about more than feels for me, though the episode wasn't short on that. It's about feeling literary justice being done to a cast of characters who mean a lot to a lot of people. I often think they should have left it for 10 years before doing a TNG movie, just to give the performers the same kind of physical change that the TOS crew underwent between Season 3 and TMP. The fact that Kirk, Spock, Bones and so on are older is part of the story of the TOS movies. TNG movies were just about continuing TNG. They have their ups and downs but they don't hang together as a body of work in the same way ST I-VI do.
DS9 and VOY had their stories definitively ended in a way that satisfied. TNG did with All Good Things, but then it four movies bolted onto the end of it. Nemesis should never have been the final curtain for the TNG crew and whatever this season turns out to be... it can't be worse can it? I don't like Picard Season 2, but I prefer it to Nemesis. That's a whole other level of Bad Trek.
Picard is just bonus Trek. TNG ended with AGT, as it should be.
There's the kind of bonus where you get an ugly company calendar at Christmas (Nemesis) and the kind of bonus where you get $250 extra in your pay packet... The jury is still out but I'm hopeful.
On the whole I really enjoyed this first episode. It felt very cinematic. The score was brilliant, and I quite enjoyed hearing the FC theme, especially during the end credit. Or is that the new intro for the following episodes. It had some amazing little details on the LCARS screen.
Now, I will say some stuff bugged me. If Lower Decks is canon (a word I absolutely hate), why was the Titan-A Riker's old command? We can ofcourse say that he took command of the Titan-A after the original Titan. But it felt a bit weird.
Shaw being an asshole enough that he basically orders Seven to accept her human name? That is literally not what is allowed in Starfleet. I know we've seen captains who have been more rigid, like Jellico insisting that as a ranked officer Deanna had to wear a uniform. I can see that. But for Shaw to be like that..... One message from Seven to an admiral would have had Shaw get a reprimand. Perhaps real life military is like that, but the fictional one that was created for this universe works differently, and individual rights are more observed. That was some really bad writing.
When the recruitment bureau went, I was pretty impressed with the shot, but we saw it in the trailer. Seeing it being dumped out of the sky onto the city..... Holy shit. Jawdrop moment.
The amount of little easter eggs through out the episode were perhaps a bit too much. I enjoyed them, but still.....
Other than those things, I had a great time with this episode. I'm not going to base any judgement yet, because this was all still set up and introduction of plot and new characters. But I was happy.
Now, I will say some stuff bugged me. If Lower Decks is canon (a word I absolutely hate), why was the Titan-A Riker's old command? We can ofcourse say that he took command of the Titan-A after the original Titan. But it felt a bit weird.
Shaw being an asshole enough that he basically orders Seven to accept her human name? That is literally not what is allowed in Starfleet. I know we've seen captains who have been more rigid, like Jellico insisting that as a ranked officer Deanna had to wear a uniform. I can see that. But for Shaw to be like that..... One message from Seven to an admiral would have had Shaw get a reprimand. Perhaps real life military is like that, but the fictional one that was created for this universe works differently, and individual rights are more observed. That was some really bad writing.
When the recruitment bureau went, I was pretty impressed with the shot, but we saw it in the trailer. Seeing it being dumped out of the sky onto the city..... Holy shit. Jawdrop moment.
The amount of little easter eggs through out the episode were perhaps a bit too much. I enjoyed them, but still.....
Other than those things, I had a great time with this episode. I'm not going to base any judgement yet, because this was all still set up and introduction of plot and new characters. But I was happy.
In the 1840s Westminster were happy to see 1.5m people starve to death and see another 1.5m displaced so as to not upset food exports in their agricultural sweatshops.
Isolation wasn't so splendid for those people.
Hugh's death made perfect sense. I bet most of the complaints were from people who would have hated Picard no matter what.
Bajorans in the fleet are not allowed to wear their family ear rings.
Although if they are seen as religious iconography, I can see that being objectionable, since gods are either made up nonsense or advanced tech alien conmen.
There was a Bajoran on the Titan bridge right? Was he wearing an earring?
Asian dude. Pilot or navigator?
Yes, he is wearing a string of rings in his left ear.
Maybe Starfleet changed their mind after Sisko became a Prophet?
