Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x07 - "Monsters"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by Commander Richard, Apr 13, 2022.

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  1. Jedi Marso

    Jedi Marso Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    I always thought that was the weirdest thing in that episode: it's like they were literally beaming Christopher and the guard into themselves, which didn't make any sense to me then and still doesn't all these years later. But then again, look at all the other wonky stuff the transporter did over the years, not least of which was create solid duplicates of the same person.
     
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  2. KirkusOveractus

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    I always thought of it as them beaming the guard and Christopher into their places at the exact second when they were beamed up. It doesn't look that way in the episode, but it's what I always thought.
     
  3. Amasov

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    That's because there isn't such a thing as "True" Trek. Trek is Trek regardless of how one might feel about it.
     
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  4. 137th Gebirg

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    Y'know I always wondered about this too and this explanation makes a ton of sense. Thank you for that.
     
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  5. Samurai8472

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    I'm just jumping to the 25th page but has anyone mentioned how Patrick Stewart injected some of his own childhood into the show? That's pretty deep.

    I first heard about how his father used to beat him when he was drunk and had mental issues due to the 2nd World War

     
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  6. Tuskin38

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    That wouldn't work with Christopher, the aircraft was breaking apart when they initially beamed him up.

    The episode never said Maurice beat Picard as a kid.
     
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  7. KirkusOveractus

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    It doesn't work with the guard, either, which shows him materializing as he's opening the office door, not when he's holding the communicator.

    Like I said, I'm just linking my imagination of it and thinking that's what was inferred in the episode.
     
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  9. fireproof78

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    Except for Return of the Jedi.
     
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  10. Warped1

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    If she doesn't change clothes pretty soon, ain't nobody goin' near her!!

    TIT CHEESE ALERT!!
     
  11. erotavlas

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    Worst episode so far.

    Was totally lost and bored during the time spent in Picards brain. I mean it wasn't totally bad but first of all it could have been shorter for one, and secondly having it preventing him from awakening is stupid. They could have incorporated such information as dreams or flashbacks occasionally to slowly get a glimpse into his past instead of making this silly excuse to access his thoughts.

    The Rios thing with the doctor and beaming her and her son up to the ship. I mean seriously? And the kid shouting "I'm gong to touch everything" with no reaction from either of the adults. No way.

    The whole Guinan thing, I thought the drinking from a bottle and yelling part to get Q's attention really weird. And it being that particular bottle which make me ask - why does she have the bottle in her possession? What if another of her race wanted to contact the Q they would be unable since they don't have access to the bottle.

    Agnes still wandering around slowly being assimilated doing things to create 'endorphins; like breaking a window - so dumb. I mean if you really want to generate endorphins in your body, have her walk into the nearest gym and go do some weight lifting or cardio. Maybe hook up with some guy in the bar and i don't know - have sex. That would be way more effective than smashing a window. Seriously though do the writers not research this stuff?

    Picard and Guinan getting arrested - lame. I think we visited that already in past episode when Rios was arrested and had to be rescued. Now we are circling back and doing it all over again.

    Overall disappointed - it was just a filler episode for me. Surprised so many rated the episode 6 and above. It barely advanced the story and what pieces it did provide seemed like after thoughts (i.e. Guinan not able to contact Q kind of showing there is something wrong with Q continuum)
     
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  12. Argosy

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    Well I hate to say it, but this is becoming a bit of a slog for me. It’s hard to know where to start. I guess it feels like they introduced ideas at the start of the season such as Picards dark secret and Q’s implied illness that they then didn’t follow up on in any substantial way. Now they’re beginning to revisit them again, but after several episodes of the crew mincing around in the 21st century I don’t really care what Picards secret is and whatever’s going on with Q seems like an irrelevance.

    Maybe if they’d explored Picards issues through his proximity and interaction with the Borg Queen from the start that might have seemed more cohesive. If they’d sustained the idea that something wasn’t well with Q through the entirety of the season that could have been quite terrifying.

    I feel like they’re constantly introducing new ideas without exploring the ones they’ve laid out. The whole Soong’s daughter discovering she isn’t who she thinks she is feels like it’s been scooped up from season 1 and dumped straight into season 2 to no real effect.

    I guess this is a 10 episode season? Maybe the last 3 will tie it together beautifully and I’ll be able to see the relevancy of it all, but right now it feels like a show that’s masquerading as something highbrow when really it’s just a series of ‘and then this happened and then this happened and then this happened.’
     
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  13. The Emissary

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    So the El Aurians are a lot more powerful than they let off. :O

    James Callis still looks the same from his BSG days! Nice to see him in sci-fi again.

    Also ... Agent Wells wouldn't happen to be our friend Ducane would he...? Find out next week, I guess.
     
  14. fireproof78

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    You've experienced this before? :vulcan:

    Let me ask you a question, seriously: I'm going to stick you in a stressful situation with a voice inside your head telling you to do stuff. This is stressful and anxiety producing in of itself and it's trying to take control. Now, you need endorphins and you're supposed to remember that long ago science class of what produces endorphins? :wtf:

    Breaking stuff is the most common reaction I hear from people to feel a rush. There's a whole room dedicated to it in the city I live.

    He's not.
     
  15. erotavlas

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    I'm just saying that its not an activity that jumps to mind when you hear the word endorphins. I mean I never heard of it and am trying to research it (breaking things + endorphins) but am failing to find anything online about it. I thought it would be more common for people to know about exercise for example as a way to generate endorphins. Also Agnes is no longer in control of her body, its the Borg Queen that is acting out in order to generate the endorphins, and if thats the case she has enough knowledge to know better ways to do it, at least thats my take on it.
     
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  16. fireproof78

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    Again, you say it's common but common to who? When I talk and educate people about endorphins one of the first ideas that jump to mind for them is "breaking something." Not exercise, not sex, or whatever. Something are very visceral. Breaking things is one of those things.
     
  17. Mr Awe

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    But yet he nearly shorts out the doctor's equipment when given a shock! However, I agree that overall they present him as though he were an ordinary human.
     
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  18. Lord Garth

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    That's where the synthetic comes in. He's not one or the other, he's something third.
     
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  19. JRS

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    I must say that part of me wishes that the producers would have casted David Duchovny to play that FBI agent..
    but I guess that would have been bit too much :D
     
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  20. FederationHistorian

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    1-4, 57—64) Maybe we don’t see Robert Picard because its not about Robert Picard?

    7-9, 54) The crew has made so many ripple effects over the past 5 episodes it would be surprising that there are no changes to the timeline because of them. Let's just say Kirk and crew, Picard & crew (FC), Sisko & crew, Janeway & crew and Archer & crew weren’t this sloppy. Burnham & crew & Mariner & crew are TBD.

    10-11, 21) Almost like there should be an emergency hologram program on the ship, to keep watch over the ship when the entire crew’s away, Jurati from being influenced by the Borg Queen, and help them retake the ship so that Elnor doesn’t get shot and die. Shame no one thought to see if the Confederation version of La Sirena had such a program.

    13) The same way Picard was brought to the Watcher’s apartment.

    14) I’d imagine it would take her time to go back and forth to her apartment. Next we have no idea how late in the night Picard was taken to the clinic. And at least the sun comes up in LA. It has never come up once where La Sirena is ever since it crashed. You’d think the planet was tidally locked or something.

    15 -20) Exploring a relationship between Raffi and Seven isn’t interesting to the writers of Picard. Just like how a season of simply exploring held no interest for those writing Discovery. Its boring I guess. It not like there are hundreds of Trek episodes that suggest otherwise.

    22-24, 37-38, 41-47, 52, 55-56, 68, 74-76) We get it, the characters are all stupid and the writing leaves a lot to be desired. To be fair, it was all better last season, but fans complained.

    39) Or Renee has an “accident” and falls out the window of whatever hotel she’s staying at when Europa gala security pays her a visit, courtesy of Adam Soong.

    65) Weren’t Gillian Taylor and Lily Sloane beamed aboard starships too?

    66) Actually, there was something liquid in the cup. Watch it again.

    77) The season has been steadily going downhill altogether. Wonder if its on purpose so that the writers can slap us like Q slapped Picard earlier in the season?