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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x05 - "Fly Me to the Moon"

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Mr Awe said:
Several of us discussed that possibility in the previous review thread. It appears like the real world is heading towards the Confederation. It would take some outside intervention to bring about the Federation timeline. However, there were doubts that they'd go so far and do that. It would be a great, meaningful twist though.
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Would it be meaningful though? Basically it means our future is damned and the hopeful, optimistic future of Star Trek will never exist in our universe.
 
Jarvisimo said:
Also he was just really good overall -and a better role than last season. More Spiner please! :D
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Yeah, Brent does good work. I'm sure he's also glad to be out of all that white makeup, too. I'd imagine that kind of thing after years and years gets tedious. He also gets to explore more human emotional range as an actor, which has to be refreshing.

mattman8907 said:
I wonder why they added him to the main cast?
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I can think of lots of reasons: recognizability, nostalgia, the fact that his characters (Data, Lore, Noonien Soong, Alrik Soong, et al) are popular, critical to the plot, perhaps a future long term role is already in the works for him? Regardless, it's fine for me, I'd love to see everyone show up from TNG and other series.
 
By the way, has anyone been running the number through an alpha generator?

1-323-634-5667

I just wonder if it has some kind of hidden meaning.

The most relevant variation, that uses actual words, that I could find was:

1-FAD-NEG-LOOP

Which means nothing, but I could have missed something bigger.
 
Saul said:
Would it be meaningful though? Basically it means our future is damned and the hopeful, optimistic future of Star Trek will never exist in our universe.
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YMMV, but to me, yes. It's a wakeup call. We had the optimism that humans will progress since TOS, but we haven't followed through.

In the TV series the outside intervention will bring about the Federation of course. So, we'll still have the prime ST universe going forward. But as viewers, we'd need to reckon with the direction we're headed.

But I'm guessing the show won't have cahones to do that.
 
Saul said:
Would it be meaningful though? Basically it means our future is damned and the hopeful, optimistic future of Star Trek will never exist in our universe.
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It would depend on the person. Some will need the message but some will not regard it as much or regard it as preaching to the choir.

Personally, I don't need Trek to make meaning but that's me.
 
Mr Awe said:
YMMV, but to me, yes. It's a wakeup call. We had the optimism that humans will progress since TOS, but we haven't followed through.

In the TV series the outside intervention will bring about the Federation of course. So, we'll still have the prime ST universe going forward. But as viewers, we'd need to reckon with the direction we're headed.

But I'm guessing the show won't have cahones to do that.
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Essentially this. We don't have benevolent time travelers to help us fix our problems. It's all on us as a species and we're, quite frankly, doing a very piss poor job of it. That doesn't mean give up hope, but it does mean we need to address the fact that optimism, even the optimism of Star Trek, is no longer enough to get things done.
 
Loved the Borg Queen's comment about the French policeman's gauloise habit - that'll be a lesson to Rios.

I thought Brent was excellent this week. His best performance for years. I was surprised to see Isa Briones back, but it made perfect sense. Nice cameo from Lea Thompson too.

I liked that Supervisor Tallin was quite casually introduced with a brief nod to Gary Seven, but didn't dwell on him. It was straight on to her, and how they could help each other.

Nerys Myk said:
Not quite sold on Brady's American accent though.
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Yeah, I'm not sure why they persisted with that. Just leave her natural accent.
 
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Amaris said:
Essentially this. We don't have benevolent time travelers to help us fix our problems. It's all on us as a species and we're, quite frankly, doing a very piss poor job of it. That doesn't mean give up hope, but it does mean we need to address the fact that optimism, even the optimism of Star Trek, is no longer enough to get things done.
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Of course, even Star Trek's optimism has always been caveated with the warning that things will get a whole lot worse before they get better...
 
Mr Awe said:
Yup! Lots of wheel spinning (sometimes literally) to fill screen time. The real events in the first half were Agnes and the Borg Queen, and Picard finding the Watcher. Now we're at the point of setting up the situation for the remaining 5 part season.
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I mean, it totally feels like a "Chekov's Gun" kind of thing, what was the point of following them around and what happened to them over the last five episodes? They didn't advance the plot, they just served us the social commentary. Which, yeah, I've been defending as a common Trek Trope but usually it's built into the plot a little bit. This just seemed tacked on.

Amaris said:
I did, and I giggled like a school girl.
Then I cried a little bit because this is the kind of thing I liked to do as a kid, and it brought back some really good memories.

I wholeheartedly recommend calling, folks. It's 1-323-634-5667

Standard phone rates apply.
I don't even know if long distance is still a thing, but you know, just in case.
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You know, I don't know either. And I frequently call "long distance" from work to other stores in the company and sometimes to corporate. (We're an isolated town so calling pretty much anywhere would be "long distance.")

TheMadCloner said:
Star Trek meets Mission Impossible. Dunno why I never thought of that but now that I’ve seen it, I want more.
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Someone up-thread mentioned how out of place/time the technology at the gala seemed. Which, I don't agree. It was a bit advanced, maybe, but facial-recognition software and cameras are certainly things that exist and the RF ID tag is hardly something outside of 21st century possibility. Everything that happened there was within somethings you'd see in Bond movie, so hardly something out of the reach for a 21st Century Trek Earth that's sending manned missions to Jupiter.
 
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Airmandan said:
I wonder if the show would have the balls to change the future they end up going back to? The way they’re running around causing mayhem, what would happen if they go back and there’s small differences that weren’t there before. Like carpet in the hallways!
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Or fish in Jack O'Neill's pond.

When the Borg Queen was trying to verbally manipulate Jurati (before being blasted) and her voice got all hypnotic, did anybody else think of the telepathic hypnotism of the Wraith Queens from Stargate Atlantis?

Also, I called Q's number. You get a special message from Q.
 
thribs said:
I wasn't the biggest fan of this episode. The more they show of 2024, the less interested I become. Hopefully we get back to 2401 soon.
Also that phone number was useless. I called to speak with Q but I just get his bloody answering machine.
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Your call is very important to us. The Continuum is very busy. Please stay on the line and the next available Q will be happy to help you.
 
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