Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 2x05 - "Fly Me to the Moon"

[Pauln6]

True. Assimilation shouldn't be near instantaneous, either.

Assimilation should be caused by nanoprobes. They all know this - Picard nearly lost his ship in a sort space of time and Seven was essentially treated by using genetically engineered 'sterile' nanoprobes - and yet none of the characters seem to be taking any serious precautions against infection.

 

[Uhura's Song]

I did like that the full cast from last year was in this one + Spiner & De Lancie.

My favorie ep since the first two.

 

[TimeIsAPredator]

From the early season stuff, I though Picard's past would play a role, but that has been totally written off so far. Boo!

Thank fuck for that

 

[Pauln6]

As opposed to magic crystal travel?
Khan's blood almost killed Kirk and placed him in a coma. So it wasn't like the insta-cure Q gave Soong. Khan's incredible recuperative abilities are from Space Seed. In the real world blood based therapeis are a thing.
Is this your first encounter with Movie/TV medicine? Insta-cures are a long-standing trope. Trek does it a lot.

Khan's blood practically insta-cured the girl in the hospital. And it almost insta-cured Kirk's death. ;-p I don't have any issue with blood-based therapies, although in her case any permanent cure would have to be gene-based and there would have to be time for the corrected gene to replicate in the body. Such therapies exist now but they take months, not seconds.

Trek does use Trek-tech to come up with insta-cures and McCoy's hypo-sprays sometimes have more immediate effects than is realistic I suppose, albeit there is a difference between a treatment, carried by the blood to counteract a physiological effect like Tri-Ox and a cure for a genetic disorder. A transporter-based therapy would have made sense as instantaneous but not a blood-born one.

 

[BillJ]

Is this your first encounter with Movie/TV medicine? Insta-cures are a long-standing trope. Trek does it a lot.

Kirk recovered from the aging sickness in "The Deadly Years" in about forty seconds after he was injected with McCoy's cure. LaForge shook off the modified-PSI 200 virus instantaneously in "The Naked Now". I know there are many other examples littered across the franchise.

Yeah, your brain knows that treatments don't work like that in the real world, but your brain should also know that you're watching a TV show.

 

[GNDN18]

It was a spun-in, hoping to make it a spin-off.

Unfortunately it spun in to the Sea of Japan. There were no survivors.

 

[fireproof78]

And it almost insta-cured Kirk's death.

Two weeks insta-cured huh?

Such therapies exist now but they take months, not seconds.

Yes, that's the nature of the show. We know what it can do; we just do it faster because TV and drama.

 

[Timofnine]

I've said elsewhere that she will become Laris in the future. But why does she have 24th century Romulan tech in her apartment? She doesn't like time travel. It could have been any other piece of equipment, but they went out of their way to show us it was Romulan. And Picard didn't say a thing about it, even after repeatedly thinking she was Laris (who is a, ahem, Romulan). Are the Irish the equivalent of Romulans in the Star Trek Universe?

I'm going to guess that she's a shapeshifter (maybe a Chameloid?) and assumed Laris' form because she plucked the image from his mind somehow. But that still doesn't explain the overt Romulan-isms in the scene.

My biggest question which trumps all of these alien identity based questions, is the very down to Esrth yet seemingly racist question of… why is Laris Irish? (I have Irish family, please don’t judge me for pointing out perceived facts haha!)

 

[CaptainWacky]

I'm finding the Jurati/Borg Queen scenes to be by far the best part. The actresses have great chemistry together.

Picard/Not Laris didn't do much for me, much like Picard/Young Guinan last week. He just doesn't feel like the lead character.

 

[NCC-73515]

Cassini explored Titan and Enceladus. Galileo explored Io and Europa (and more). There's no reason this mission can't explore several moons, perhaps with a focus on Europa giving it its name.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Khan's blood practically insta-cured the girl in the hospital. And it almost insta-cured Kirk's death. ;-p I don't have any issue with blood-based therapies, although in her case any permanent cure would have to be gene-based and there would have to be time for the corrected gene to replicate in the body. Such therapies exist now but they take months, not seconds.

So the super-smart, superman has invented a superfast cure. How shocking.
Practically and almost. Are we playing horseshoes or handgrenades?

Yes, that's the nature of the show. We know what it can do; we just do it faster because TV and drama.

And God like aliens offering them. And some cases it's the future! "Science" is better, faster, stronger!!!

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Which official timeline has it starting in 2026?

The Defiant's computer records as seen in "In a Mirror, Darkly".

But as we all know, onscreen graphics aren't always canon. So that can be taken with a huge grain of salt.

Twenty-seven years is an awfully long time for a world war to go on...

Indeed. A global thermonuclear war would be over in 27 minutes, tops. Certainly not 27 years.

I'm sticking with my headcanon that 2026 was the beginning of a Cold War-style buildup (precipitated by the birth of the ECON) which would eventually LEAD to World War III.

 

[fireproof78]

Hmmm...

SPOCK: No such vessel listed. Records of that period are fragmentary, however. The mid=1990s was the era of your last so-called World War.
MCCOY: The Eugenics Wars.
(emphasis added).

Space Seed feels like it is connecting WW3 together with the Eugenics Wars.

 

[NCC-73515]

I don't think so. If you notice, the Borg Queen's voice changed to a more female voice when she says, "Picard, look up", which suggests to me maybe he was lost in thought about his mother and mistook what the Borg Queen said. I dunno. He didn't look up though.

The queen projected a sign above her that said "Don't blow us up!"

I've said elsewhere that she will become Laris in the future. But why does she have 24th century Romulan tech in her apartment? She doesn't like time travel. It could have been any other piece of equipment, but they went out of their way to show us it was Romulan. And Picard didn't say a thing about it, even after repeatedly thinking she was Laris (who is a, ahem, Romulan).

I'm going to guess that she's a shapeshifter (maybe a Chameloid?) and assumed Laris' form because she plucked the image from his mind somehow. But that still doesn't explain the overt Romulan-isms in the scene.

What if the Romulans (some sect, perhaps a group of nuns) are the ones who train people and send them to Earth's past to prevent trouble?

Just noticed a potential Easter egg. I believe that the stock footage of a NASA launch that Renee Picard was watching at the gala was the same stock footage of a NASA launch used in Assignment Earth.

Not having actually compared them, it looked like Apollo 11's launch to me. But they all do look very similar. AE showed something earlier, I think it was the very first Saturn V launch.

He absolutely should have called it in, though!

Maybe he didn't want his colleagues to think he's crazy - and wanted to convince himself he's not imagining things

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

Space Seed feels like it is connecting WW3 together with the Eugenics Wars.

Well, apart from the ECON (which was originally supposed to be China, as per the ST:FC DVD commentary), we know absolutely nothing about World War III itself. We don't know the reasons for the war, or who any of the other factions were. So it is entirely possible that some of those factions tried to pick up where Khan and his ilk left off - meaning, WW III could have been fought at least partly over genetic engineering, just like the Eugenics Wars were.

 

[cooleddie74]

Colonel Green's desire to "cast out the impure," especially those scarred and made ill by radiation poisoning in the aftermath of World War III, might play into him pursuing his own form of racial balance and eugenics in the years leading up to the 2053 nuclear exchange.

 

[IMC Headquarters]

Maybe Trek's WWIII was simply terrorists using suitcase dirty bombs rather than a full-on exchange of ICBM's.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Maybe Trek's WWIII was simply terrorists using suitcase dirty bombs rather than a full-on exchange of ICBM's.

That's not how it was depicted in New Eden.

 

[cooleddie74]

Yeah, even the house of worship on New Eden had stained glass windows depicting bomber planes dropping nuclear weapons.

 

[BillJ]

Hmmm...

SPOCK: No such vessel listed. Records of that period are fragmentary, however. The mid=1990s was the era of your last so-called World War.
MCCOY: The Eugenics Wars.
(emphasis added).

Space Seed feels like it is connecting WW3 together with the Eugenics Wars.

Or Spock simply misspoke due to fragmentary records? I mean, he was around during a war where the Klingons regularly used cloaking devices then seemed to completely forget about them in “Balance of Terror”.