This is all a part of CBS' master plan. They're bitter at giving up on Supergirl too soon and not having all those gravy Arrowverse shows on its schedule, so by the end of this season we'll see the Synths be revealed as a mutant group, officially integrating Star Trek and the DCEU as part of the same universe. The last shot of the season finale will be Picard sitting down in his chair, putting a contraption on his head, and telepathically communicating with every other Synth in the universe.
Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x08 - "Broken Pieces"
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This is all a part of CBS' master plan. They're bitter at giving up on Supergirl too soon and not having all those gravy Arrowverse shows on its schedule, so by the end of this season we'll see the Synths be revealed as a mutant group, officially integrating Star Trek and the DCEU as part of the same universe. The last shot of the season finale will be Picard sitting down in his chair, putting a contraption on his head, and telepathically communicating with every other Synth in the universe.
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Finally watched the episode.
The Rissa backstory was good, showing us what happened when she found out and that it was her aunt that diddled the Borg cube, it also confirms that Narek has not actually seen it which explains why he isn't quite as on board as Rissa is, it looks like it is women only for some reason.
Good to see Jurati finally spill it all plus the Commodore has now been unmasked, Clancy finally gets with the program but we don't see Picard tell her about the Commodore so that fleet sent by Clancy may or may not have been given additional orders.
How is Starfleet and the Federation going to process the information about Mars, will they go public or try to keep it a secret.
Enjoyed Raffi's questioning of all the Holograms and resulting talk with Rios, it explains a lot although it was perfectly clear from his reaction to seeing Soji that he had met another one of her sisters before.
Also happy to see Seven, the Borg stuff was solid and it will be interesting to see what the consequences are for activating that cube, its possible she could end up at Soji's home world but they would need to know where it is first.
How did Narek keep up with the La Sirena when the tracker stopped working.
Not surprised that Rissa escaped, she is running out of lives though.
Someone is going to have to talk some sense into that Romulan Tal'Shiar fleet, sounds like a job for Laris and Zhaban if you ask me.
I must admit I don't think that ancient message was meant for humans at all, sending people mad seems a bit counterproductive to its goals, could the message actually be for synthetics, will we see Soji interact with it and be able to fully understand its warning.
Will be interesting to see which way they go in the last two episodes, will we get a cliffhanger and if so what will it be, a standoff between the Tal'Shiar and Starfleet/Seven or will we get a sneak peek at the true big bad, a lot depends on one simple question, are the Zhat Vash right or wrong in their interpretation of the ancient message.
I see some believe that the Supernova was natural, I thought it was clearly stated in the 2009 film that the Supernova was anything but natural, to the extent that Spock had calculated that there was enough time to stop it from exploding but it went off even earlier than expected.
Another solid 9, keeping the 10 in reserve.
The Rissa backstory was good, showing us what happened when she found out and that it was her aunt that diddled the Borg cube, it also confirms that Narek has not actually seen it which explains why he isn't quite as on board as Rissa is, it looks like it is women only for some reason.
Good to see Jurati finally spill it all plus the Commodore has now been unmasked, Clancy finally gets with the program but we don't see Picard tell her about the Commodore so that fleet sent by Clancy may or may not have been given additional orders.
How is Starfleet and the Federation going to process the information about Mars, will they go public or try to keep it a secret.
Enjoyed Raffi's questioning of all the Holograms and resulting talk with Rios, it explains a lot although it was perfectly clear from his reaction to seeing Soji that he had met another one of her sisters before.
Also happy to see Seven, the Borg stuff was solid and it will be interesting to see what the consequences are for activating that cube, its possible she could end up at Soji's home world but they would need to know where it is first.
How did Narek keep up with the La Sirena when the tracker stopped working.
Not surprised that Rissa escaped, she is running out of lives though.
Someone is going to have to talk some sense into that Romulan Tal'Shiar fleet, sounds like a job for Laris and Zhaban if you ask me.
I must admit I don't think that ancient message was meant for humans at all, sending people mad seems a bit counterproductive to its goals, could the message actually be for synthetics, will we see Soji interact with it and be able to fully understand its warning.
Will be interesting to see which way they go in the last two episodes, will we get a cliffhanger and if so what will it be, a standoff between the Tal'Shiar and Starfleet/Seven or will we get a sneak peek at the true big bad, a lot depends on one simple question, are the Zhat Vash right or wrong in their interpretation of the ancient message.
I see some believe that the Supernova was natural, I thought it was clearly stated in the 2009 film that the Supernova was anything but natural, to the extent that Spock had calculated that there was enough time to stop it from exploding but it went off even earlier than expected.
Its sounding more and more like the T'Kon and it may just be that we are finally going to meet O from the novels, he can detonate stars as well.
Another solid 9, keeping the 10 in reserve.
The real question is where exactly Shinzon just found a soong-type android just lying around.It could be argued that the Zhat Vash didn't know about B4. It's not like he was paraded out in front of Shinzon's Romulan allies and the research on him could easily have been done on a world outside of Romulan space.
I think any attempt on the lives of the Enterprise crew would have been investigated and still lead to to the Zhat Vash. Raffi suspected Romulan involvement when the Attack on mars first occurred but no one believed her. They are only being revealed because they synths have been revealed and Oh chose to reveal herself to Jurati.
No they couldn't but I think for the Zhat Vash taking out such a prominent android was too much of a risk and it wouldn't have stopped the Federation from continuing to try and create Synthetic life.
I think any secret organisation worries about being uncovered. They had planted spies in various governments in preparation for the creation of synthetic life. They had spies in the Klingon Empire and Gorn Hegemony as well.
Yes because killing one Android who was a decorated Starfleet officer was never going to stop the Federation or other powers from continuing to experiment with synthetic life. Oh said it herself, something horrific needed to happen with Synthetics to make the Federation and other Alpha Quadrant powers completely give up on the idea of artificial life. So she orchestrated a mini synth uprising and it worked
The Zhat Vash never had possession of B4, Shinzon and The Remans did and it's entirely possible that the Romulan military allied to Shinzon never even knew about him. Lore getting away isn't that far-fetched considering it's a big galaxy and he was an evil genius. I imagine the Zhat Vash may not have been privy to Lore being dumped into space and considering the Enterprise and starfleet didn't know where he was after his second escape it stands to reason the Zhat Vash didn't either. They aren't all seeing and all knowing, they probably rely heavily on intel.
We still don't know for sure that Maddox is the creator of the Synths. His lab was destroyed by the Tal Shiar so it couldn't have been on the Synth homeworld. Also he had run out of money which suggests that while he attempted to create synthetic life, he repeatedly failed.
Synthetic life doesn't have to be sentient to be dangerous. The androids in service to the federation no doubt had any number of protective measures to prevent corruption yet a way was found around those measures.
And we know that the illuminati are supposedly made up of rich elites that are actually alien lizard people, but no one takes that shit seriously. Having said that the Zhat Vash seemed to have some influence on Romulan society considering their name was used to refer to the dead and the seb-cheneb was on the romulan tarot card. Laris being told about them is to me the equivalent of someone saying they saw a UFO or Bigfoot. Even she believed them to be a myth until evidence showed them to be real.
This is why there are very few good Lovecraftian horror films and why 'At the Mountains of Madness' will never be made. It's hard to give visualisation to eldritch horrors. Which is why I think the effort was made to show the initiates gouging their eyes and bashing in their own heads. Also we're not fully privy to everything they see and feel. For all we know they felt the deaths of trillions of beings or the combined horror of being in a city that was vaporised.
It damn well better not be...
Wouldn't Rios have recognized him? The only android in Starfleet and the flag ship OPS officer must be kinda well known...
LoL! As much as I would like to see 0, he’s not canon. It’s amazing they haven’t continued the barrier story in some way on screen. Seems like such a easy place to go to.
If he has gray hair, chubby cheeks, and a receding hairline--what Spiner looks like now--the similarities will be easily dismissed, don't you think?
Unless you're Gary Mitchell. Or James R. Kirk.
I mean story wise. As a place to follow up on.
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It fits with the Supernova and O would definitely qualify as a big bad but there are many ways it could go.
Nothing is canon until they make it so.
If it’s 0 then Kristofer Hivju should play him. That’s who I imagined when I read the Q Continuum last year.
Maybe he has white skin and normal eyes compared to Data? Plus maybe he was aged?
Control was a lousy idea in DSC and would be even worse if revived in any form in PIC. Just leave that idiotic plot in the same bin with the parasite infestation from Season 1 of TNG and the Kazon being developed as the main bad guys of VOY.
Brophy isn't going to have a ghost! HE IS IMMORTAL.
Nothing we see in Voyager suggests an out-of-the-box Picardo would fail to report a murder and you conveniently ignored the second part of my argument involving common sense which would only grow more obvious the longer EMHs exist.
Nothing we've seen in the show indicates that it would be difficult to demonstrate the truth of their claim or that people would have difficulty believing it. All of the main characters were convinced in this episode and even found corroborating evidence.
No motive for the Zhat Vash outside of banning or killing synths has been established - which the truth would help accomplish. Even if they had a general desire for control, it isn't at all obvious how keeping this secret would help accomplish anything.
Every single person who ever works in AI dying would form a clear pattern, other mysterious deaths or not.
Before you said they were motivated by "control", now you're saying paranoia is making them behave illogically. I honestly can't tell if that's what you meant all along or if you're just coming up with one ad hoc explanation after another. In any case, I don't buy that they really would behave this illogically, only that they evidently are because the writers need them to.
I don't think that it's hard to imagine that they don't want to be challenged. You can try to parse it all you want. I offered an explanation as to why they embrace secrecy. I did not give an explanation for their motivations, only their mentality. Yes, they want to control the narrative as a result of their paranoid personalities. Perhaps you should look at how other genocides have been conducted. The paranoid instigators have had to scare away public scrutiny in order to conduct their work.
