Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x05 - "Stardust City Rag"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by NCC-73515, Feb 14, 2020.

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Rate the episode...

  1. 10 - Seven? I give this a TEN!

    21.1%
  2. 9

    29.2%
  3. 8

    22.3%
  4. 7

    12.3%
  5. 6

    5.0%
  6. 5

    2.8%
  7. 4

    3.8%
  8. 3

    0.9%
  9. 2

    0.3%
  10. 1 - (out) of 10.

    2.2%
  1. DaveyNY

    DaveyNY Vice Admiral Admiral

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    ... and two more Seasons.
     
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  2. Trekker4747

    Trekker4747 Boldly going... Premium Member

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    You know, I think that episode kind of pissed me off. My feelings on this series are starting to come to a middle.

    First of all, why is it that this franchise in intent to look and behave like every other Sci-Fi property out there EXCEPT for Star Trek? The whole look and feel of this episode was just off and not right. I get that Trek as a whole is trying to go for a different look and all but. cripes, would it hurt to ease up on the darkness and the Blade Runner look just a BIT?!

    And, fuck, of course what's her face is "in on it." Because, of course.

    It's kind of a shame Seven is gone, I was hoping she'd be around for more of the season.

    And it's official, every episode of this season is going to start in the past.

    I'm still watching, but now mostly out of "wanting to see it to the end" because nothing about this for me really feels or looks good anymore. The only part I really liked was the stuff between Seven and Picard.

    This was an ugly episode to watch, and we didn't need the "torture-porn gore" at the open.
     
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  3. Skipper

    Skipper Commodore Commodore

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    Thank you. I admit I didn't watch many Voyager's episodes...
     
  4. KamenRiderBlade

    KamenRiderBlade Commodore Commodore

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    Penny Johnson who played Kassidy Yates was HOT when she was in her prime.

    She's still attractive now that she's older, but back then, YOWZERS!
     
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  5. Trekker4747

    Trekker4747 Boldly going... Premium Member

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    She'll always be Sherry Palmer to me.
     
  6. rocketdave

    rocketdave Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    I confess I mainly know Necar Zadegan from the lesbian movie Elena Undone, which I thought was pretty bad, though is somewhat noteworthy for breaking the record for the longest on screen kiss in cinema history.
     
  7. Yistaan

    Yistaan Commodore Commodore

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    Remember when we thought McCoy's butcher knives in episodes like "Space Seed" (despite McCoy himself criticizing them as primitive in Voyage Home) seemed anachronistic? Well apparently this is what Trek decided to bring back.

    You think someone intent on getting Icheb's parts intact would just beam them out or something, rather than rely on clumsy primitive ways.
     
  8. fireproof78

    fireproof78 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I do empathize but I struggle with the frustration when the show is rated what it is rated.

    Sorry, but I find things like David's death, and Valeris' mind rape extremely disturbing but don't see any calls for that being forewarned on the box or inappropriate for Trek or things like that.
     
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  9. Arpy

    Arpy Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    That's nice to hear? It irked me and had me wondering if stations or viewers or whoever didn't want to witness miscegenation or something else icky like that. I didn't think stations would also not air the Trill lesbian kiss but life surprises you for all sorts of reasons doesn't it.
     
  10. Racefuel

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    I guess my feelings on the gore/cursing/sex is this..It's TV-MA for a reason. MA means adult/mature content. For TV-MA you should be pre-screening the show before just assuming "lol it's Star Trek that means it's fine for kids". The mental rapes in TNG were not okay, the mental rape in TUC was not okay. There's a very close up scene in FC where a crewman has their eye replaced with an implant point before an optical sensor is secured on it. There's a scene in FC with a bloody/partially bloody stump has a techno attachment point on it.

    The eyeball scene was hard, it's done now. Guess what else was hard?

    Seeing Picard getting stabbed from behind with the blade poking out of his chest

    Having Data break a Borgs neck for no reason beyond...what? shock value?

    The hyperbole around all this is hilarious, torture porn? Gore porn? Seriously...give it a break.
     
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  11. Starflight

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    The gore at the start of the episode felt exploitative and very unnecessary. That aside, I was quite bewildered by the decision to bring Icheb back literally just to instantaneously kill him. Also didn't like the ending, because I don't think Seven executing someone in this fashion adds anything to her character or the plot at all. The gang leader was written pretty cartoonishly and was far too one-dimensional to understand or relate to in any meaningful way, so the violence acted upon her had absolutely no emotional weight for me. It just felt like the writers really wanted something "dark" to happen (again) and so we end up with someone getting vaporised. Did Seven at least have the phasers set to stun when she ambushed the two bodyguards and then went on the absurd dual rifle spree against the worst security guards in the galaxy? That'd be something at least.

    Maddox's last words about how the Federation is involved in the conspiracy don't sound promising. At first it was "secret Romulan assassins" operating on Earth, then it turns out the head of Starfleet Security is involved, and now it's just "Starfleet" generally. I'm not against writers branching out and testing the limits of Star Trek but I'm mostly just feeling alienated by this series. I hope the final five episodes see a turnaround and give us something to suggest that Starfleet is not actually a group of insane isolationist racists who send assassins after people.
     
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  12. DaveyNY

    DaveyNY Vice Admiral Admiral

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    They would actually have to care about the victim to do that.
    It's pretty obvious that the folks harvesting the Borg parts don't give a chit about who the parts are in.
     
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  13. DarKush

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    My only issue with what you've said here is your issue with Raffi's son and his partner as well as the issue you have with Sisko and Jake and them having black human love interests or love interests played by black actresses. I've seen this complaint before for Sisko, but it's never there for the other captains, who have all largely had love interests of the same race (not completely but mostly). I've never seen any complaints about intraracial romantic relationships for any other characters except Sisko and now Jake and Raffi's son. Future statistics have never been an issue when it came to the mating/dating choices of the other captains or lead characters.

    Gabriel's last name of Hwang, assuming that was Raffi's husband's last name, which is a good bet that Raffi was involved in an interracial relationship, and that Gabriel is mixed race. Further, in the real-world, the actress playing his partner Ayushi Chhabra is she is not from the same race(s), ethnicity as Gabriel actor Mason Gooding, so it is a depiction of the relationship you want to see.
     
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  14. Danja

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    I loved it. :adore:

    It was great to see Seven be who she is -- a former soldier -- and haul off and kill someone. :techman:

    No catsuit. No heels. No holding back. :biggrin: :bolian:
     
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  15. KamenRiderBlade

    KamenRiderBlade Commodore Commodore

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    I have a feeling it's going to be a cabal of people within the UFP / StarFleet / Romulan Tal Shiar / Zhat Vash / etc.

    It's not going to be just one group of people from one species.
     
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  16. GulBahana

    GulBahana Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    This is looking similar to Star Trek 6 when certain Federation Admirals conspired with the Klingons.
     
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  17. DaveyNY

    DaveyNY Vice Admiral Admiral

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    And as we have seen many times before, it only takes one or two high ranking Admirals attempting to enforce their own personal beliefs, to set the ball rolling in a disastrous way.
     
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  18. daedalus5

    daedalus5 Rear Admiral Moderator

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    I loved the little musical rift of the Voyager theme music when Seven beamed back down. Sad to see the original Icheb actor and Maddox not back though.
     
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  19. Racefuel

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    7 was never a morally pure, upstanding character in Voyager.

    Was she made better by her time on Voyager? Of course...but she had someone she had grown to love as a son tortured by people who viewed him as a commodity to be used. Can you really blame her for wanting to simply exterminate the person who was responsible?
     
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  20. KamenRiderBlade

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    I would've been far more cruel to the horrible women who did that to Icheb.
    I would've dissected her to make her suffer the same fate he did and torture her, revive her, then repeatedly torture her till she can revive no more.

    But I'm a far more vengeful person that gets revenge for my loved ones.
     
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