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Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x05 - "Stardust City Rag"

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Greg Cox said:
Ah, so it's not something we've actually seen on the show so far? I was starting to wonder if I was forgetting something.

"What's this mind-meld everybody keeps talking about? Did I miss something?"

So it's just a theory based on an image in the trailer. Got it. In the meantime, I'm not going to assume mind-control until it's confirmed by an actual episode.

On other fronts: was "Jay" (the slinky villainess) supposed to be a dead ringer for Marina Sirtis? :)
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Yeah its not mind control, Commodore Oh went so far as to show Jurati what is at stake using a mind meld.

How true the information is that was shared remains to be seen.

Yeah the actress is somewhat similar to Marina.
 
Gonzo said:
We now know there is a conspiracy afoot, plus whatever it is that the Zhat Vash know its enough to scare Jurati to the point of murdering a man she once loved just from a mind meld with the Commodore.

How far does the conspiracy go and what exactly is it protecting besides itself, Maddox seemed to think it went all the way to the top which is why he created Dahj and Soji to root it out.
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At this point there's no way whatever they can reveal will live up to the hype. The only thing I can think of is that Maddox's synths destroy the Federation and the galaxy and then Discovery shows they did exactly that. And I'm pretty sure that won't happen.

Even the wilder theories like Soji wipes out the galaxy with a snap, Romulans and/or Vulcans are synths, and/or they created the Borg, and/or they caused supernovae or whatever don't account for the sudden change in Agnes' behavior driving her to murder instead of, you know, telling Maddox about it or something. Not sure much can.
 
Nenya said:
Well since other series had plot holes, I guess the ones in Picard don't really matter that much then. Got it.

Why are we even talking about this show again? Is this just the place to say you like it and move on?
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again: holograms are a non-issue. We were shown holograms are still in use in official Starfleet buildings. So they're not banned.
we were also told that Fenris Rangers patrolled near Vashti and Seven happens to be one of them. It was a lucky coincidence that it was her, giventhe circumstances of this episode, but lucky circumstances are per se no plot holes and happen all the time in fiction as in reality. And there can be many very plausible reasons why Picard didn't turn over the Romulan bodies to the authorities and since many on this board are already bitching about the pace of the show, a scene dedicated to going through a list of reasons why this would not be a good idea would have made that particular issue worse.
 
cooleddie74 said:
Starfleet has been one huge mess of corruption at the top since the parasite infiltration of 2364. Being the only representative democracy within a few thousand light years must be a real target for outside conspirators and troublemakers who want to seize control.
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Yeah, the larger and more successful it becomes the more likely it is to become a target for others.

The potential for the Federation to come to the Romulans rescue would have opened the door to reunification or even a spot on the council.

That would really threaten the interests of other powers both within the Alpha/Beta quadrants and without.
 
Yistaan said:
Pretty sure Kirstie Alley was at least approached. By all accounts Brophy wasn't. He was reported to have been surprised when a fan told him about Maddox and Picard show.
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Brophy only has three screen credits in the last fifteen years, two of them apparently as an extra and the third in a short film, and none of them more recent than 2014. I don't think it's unreasonable if the producers looked him up on IMDb, figured he was retired and moved on.
 
Yistaan said:
At this point there's no way whatever they can reveal will live up to the hype. The only thing I can think of is that Maddox's synths destroy the Federation and the galaxy and then Discovery shows they did exactly that. And I'm pretty sure that won't happen.

Even the wilder theories like Soji wipes out the galaxy with a snap, Romulans and/or Vulcans are synths, and/or they created the Borg, and/or they caused supernovae or whatever don't account for the sudden change in Agnes' behavior driving her to murder instead of, you know, telling Maddox about it or something. Not sure much can.
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Its tricky now that we know Commodore Oh is a Vulcan.

What would freak out a Romulan is not the same as what would freak out a Vulcan to the extent of offering mobile mind meld services, yet it obviously has and for a very long time, probably from before the split with the Romulans.

Commodore Oh needed Jurati to understand and she clearly does now, to the extent of cold blooded murder, Jurati's actions indicated she had no doubts about what she was shown, just a case of "I am killing you now bye bye", lots of crying but no hesitation whatsoever.

The danger with fear like this is it can end up being self replicating with that same fear being passed along during the mind meld, Commodore Oh can handle it being a Vulcan but Jurati clearly could not.

This could all be being built up to us finding out how the Borg were created, or perhaps how the first Borg Queen was created as we know there has been more than one.

It may be that Commodore Oh and the Zhat Vash may not be a part of the conspiracy, they may just want the synths dead for the stated past reasons.

Which would then mean that the conspiracy Maddox and Raffi have spoken of will be the main story focus for next season.

They could tie it all in with Discovery if they want to, Burnham still has the suit after all.
 
Very enjoyable episode that leaves a lot of unanswered questions.

Was Bruce Maddox an android himself? I didn’t quite get the ending or why his face was all black lines when Agnes let him die. Agnes seems to have some psychiatric problems or is under the control of the Tal Shiar/Section 31/whomever. Maddox was her former lover. Someone must have gotten to her after Maddox disappeared.

Raffi’s son has a Romulan or Vulcan wife and a half Romulan/Vulcan daughter to be. I assume Pel is probably Romulan. Free Cloud apparently has a fertility clinic that assists couples like them, though I have always assumed natural conception must be possible given the existence of Sela in The Next Generation. Gabe therefore also has good reason to be pissed off at Mom and probably Picard.

i enjoyed the hijinks on Freecloud and Picard trying and failing to be a pirate and Elnor failing to be anyone but Elnor.

Seven, of course, is wonderful and I enjoyed seeing her blast Jay away to kingdom come. Poor Icheb, though. I hope they bring Seven back for another episode. I would be curious to know what happened to the other people from Voyager.

I like the darker, more cynical world building here but I hope the series doesn’t end with a blood bath.
 
Alan Roi said:
But Star Trek movies did have graphic gore.
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Most kids didn't sit at home watching that. But yeah, this is a subscription service not supposed to be accessible without parental permission.
bookworm8571 said:
Seven, of course, is wonderful and I enjoyed seeing her blast Jay away to kingdom come. Poor Icheb, though. I hope they bring Seven back for another episode. I would be curious to know what happened to the other people from Voyager.
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I doubt it as that would bring more questions than answers. As in why Starfleet wasn't hunting down Bjayzl for the murder of one of their officers, and she was just chilling on Freecloud.
 
Yistaan said:
Maddox is a Federation citizen.
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While there are cases where a government will claim jurisdiction over extraterritorial crimes against citizens, that's an extreme move typically reserved for terrorism.


The murder occurred on his ship and Rios will certainly let the Federation take control here.
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Citation needed. While Rios may retain his Starfleet training, every indication is that he doesn't operate on the right side of Federation law. If he did, Raffi wouldn't have recommended him for the job.
 
Shon T'Hara said:
While there are cases where a government will claim jurisdiction over extraterritorial crimes against citizens, that's an extreme move typically reserved for terrorism.




Citation needed. While Rios may retain his Starfleet training, every indication is that he doesn't operate on the right side of Federation law. If he did, Raffi wouldn't have recommended him for the job.
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Fair enough.

Rios: Federation, you can have jurisdiction here, this murderer killed a man on my ship!
Federation: Uh, you don't even exist remember. We wiped all records of your service and existence.
Rios: sigh
 
Shon T'Hara said:
Citation needed. While Rios may retain his Starfleet training, every indication is that he doesn't operate on the right side of Federation law. If he did, Raffi wouldn't have recommended him for the job.
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He is not the son of god, he is a very naughty boy.

Or so I have been told. :biggrin:
 
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