Spoilers Star Trek: Picard 1x05 - "Stardust City Rag"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Picard' started by NCC-73515, Feb 14, 2020.

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  1. Gonzo

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    Yeah its not mind control, Commodore Oh went so far as to show Jurati what is at stake using a mind meld.

    How true the information is that was shared remains to be seen.

    Yeah the actress is somewhat similar to Marina.
     
  2. Yistaan

    Yistaan Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    At this point there's no way whatever they can reveal will live up to the hype. The only thing I can think of is that Maddox's synths destroy the Federation and the galaxy and then Discovery shows they did exactly that. And I'm pretty sure that won't happen.

    Even the wilder theories like Soji wipes out the galaxy with a snap, Romulans and/or Vulcans are synths, and/or they created the Borg, and/or they caused supernovae or whatever don't account for the sudden change in Agnes' behavior driving her to murder instead of, you know, telling Maddox about it or something. Not sure much can.
     
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  3. Hythlodeus

    Hythlodeus Commodore Commodore

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    again: holograms are a non-issue. We were shown holograms are still in use in official Starfleet buildings. So they're not banned.
    we were also told that Fenris Rangers patrolled near Vashti and Seven happens to be one of them. It was a lucky coincidence that it was her, giventhe circumstances of this episode, but lucky circumstances are per se no plot holes and happen all the time in fiction as in reality. And there can be many very plausible reasons why Picard didn't turn over the Romulan bodies to the authorities and since many on this board are already bitching about the pace of the show, a scene dedicated to going through a list of reasons why this would not be a good idea would have made that particular issue worse.
     
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  4. Gonzo

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    Yeah, the larger and more successful it becomes the more likely it is to become a target for others.

    The potential for the Federation to come to the Romulans rescue would have opened the door to reunification or even a spot on the council.

    That would really threaten the interests of other powers both within the Alpha/Beta quadrants and without.
     
  5. John Clark

    John Clark Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    Glad I'm not the only one who thought that. After another look though, I remember her as one of the current (here at least) NCIS New Orleans actresses.
     
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  6. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Even the good Admirals in Berman Era Trek often collaborated with the bad guys under pressure and intimidation. Nobody at the highest ranks of Starfleet appears to be immune from being compromised, both from outside and within.
     
  7. Shon T'Hara

    Shon T'Hara Commander Red Shirt

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    Brophy only has three screen credits in the last fifteen years, two of them apparently as an extra and the third in a short film, and none of them more recent than 2014. I don't think it's unreasonable if the producers looked him up on IMDb, figured he was retired and moved on.
     
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  8. cooleddie74

    cooleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    TIME-TRAVELING ARCHER CONNECTION CONFIRMED!!!
     
  9. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    I wonder if that dancer on Picard's screen was an Orion.
     
  10. Greg Cox

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    Or an Argellian?
     
  11. Gonzo

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    Its tricky now that we know Commodore Oh is a Vulcan.

    What would freak out a Romulan is not the same as what would freak out a Vulcan to the extent of offering mobile mind meld services, yet it obviously has and for a very long time, probably from before the split with the Romulans.

    Commodore Oh needed Jurati to understand and she clearly does now, to the extent of cold blooded murder, Jurati's actions indicated she had no doubts about what she was shown, just a case of "I am killing you now bye bye", lots of crying but no hesitation whatsoever.

    The danger with fear like this is it can end up being self replicating with that same fear being passed along during the mind meld, Commodore Oh can handle it being a Vulcan but Jurati clearly could not.

    This could all be being built up to us finding out how the Borg were created, or perhaps how the first Borg Queen was created as we know there has been more than one.

    It may be that Commodore Oh and the Zhat Vash may not be a part of the conspiracy, they may just want the synths dead for the stated past reasons.

    Which would then mean that the conspiracy Maddox and Raffi have spoken of will be the main story focus for next season.

    They could tie it all in with Discovery if they want to, Burnham still has the suit after all.
     
  12. Yistaan

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    You're spoiling Discovery. ;)
     
  13. bookworm8571

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    Very enjoyable episode that leaves a lot of unanswered questions.

    Was Bruce Maddox an android himself? I didn’t quite get the ending or why his face was all black lines when Agnes let him die. Agnes seems to have some psychiatric problems or is under the control of the Tal Shiar/Section 31/whomever. Maddox was her former lover. Someone must have gotten to her after Maddox disappeared.

    Raffi’s son has a Romulan or Vulcan wife and a half Romulan/Vulcan daughter to be. I assume Pel is probably Romulan. Free Cloud apparently has a fertility clinic that assists couples like them, though I have always assumed natural conception must be possible given the existence of Sela in The Next Generation. Gabe therefore also has good reason to be pissed off at Mom and probably Picard.

    i enjoyed the hijinks on Freecloud and Picard trying and failing to be a pirate and Elnor failing to be anyone but Elnor.

    Seven, of course, is wonderful and I enjoyed seeing her blast Jay away to kingdom come. Poor Icheb, though. I hope they bring Seven back for another episode. I would be curious to know what happened to the other people from Voyager.

    I like the darker, more cynical world building here but I hope the series doesn’t end with a blood bath.
     
  14. Alan Roi

    Alan Roi Commodore Commodore

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    But Star Trek movies did have graphic gore.
     
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  15. Lord Garth

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    Don't let that get in the way of Revisionist History. ;)
     
  16. Yistaan

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    Most kids didn't sit at home watching that. But yeah, this is a subscription service not supposed to be accessible without parental permission.
    I doubt it as that would bring more questions than answers. As in why Starfleet wasn't hunting down Bjayzl for the murder of one of their officers, and she was just chilling on Freecloud.
     
  17. Shon T'Hara

    Shon T'Hara Commander Red Shirt

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    While there are cases where a government will claim jurisdiction over extraterritorial crimes against citizens, that's an extreme move typically reserved for terrorism.


    Citation needed. While Rios may retain his Starfleet training, every indication is that he doesn't operate on the right side of Federation law. If he did, Raffi wouldn't have recommended him for the job.
     
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  18. Yistaan

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    Fair enough.

    Rios: Federation, you can have jurisdiction here, this murderer killed a man on my ship!
    Federation: Uh, you don't even exist remember. We wiped all records of your service and existence.
    Rios: sigh
     
  19. The Old Mixer

    The Old Mixer Mih ssim, mih ssim, nam, daed si Xim. Moderator

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    I don't think a guy whose business is owning an unregistered ship is gonna be the first guy to call the cops...
     
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  20. Gonzo

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    He is not the son of god, he is a very naughty boy.

    Or so I have been told. :biggrin: