Star Trek Phase II: Our Shelved Episodes
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I was glad to see Kitumba, but was looking forward to Origins, shame that didn't make it.
Is there a chance that incomplete footage can be shown or something.
Is there a chance that incomplete footage can be shown or something.
In addition to what we put out already, there's a chance we might let the other stuff drip out.
I was looking forward to seeing JGH as Mudd. Wondered what happened with that one.
I really liked the new actor who played a recast Finnegan in Origins (did everyone notice he played the redshirt in STC's Fairest of them all that tries to put the mac on Marlena Moreau and is knocked unconscious?), and saw the leaked photos with Number One in a shuttlecraft (was really looking forward to seeing what Phase 2 did with her). Hopefully this footage will be released some day.
If one looks at Phase 2's wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek:_New_Voyages_episodes) there are mentions of several vignettes that remain unreleased to this day, some never getting past the scripted stage, but others seemed to have been shot but remain unreleased for various reasons (Heroes and Music)...
Personally, I would like to see these in whatever form...
If one looks at Phase 2's wiki page (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Star_Trek:_New_Voyages_episodes) there are mentions of several vignettes that remain unreleased to this day, some never getting past the scripted stage, but others seemed to have been shot but remain unreleased for various reasons (Heroes and Music)...
Personally, I would like to see these in whatever form...
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The Shore Leave Planet was already revisited in TAS's "Once Upon a Planet", which was an adequate sequel as far as I'm concerned.
I can only imagine numerous issues trying to make "Kilkenny Cats", certainly technical and possibly also legal as well.
I can only imagine numerous issues trying to make "Kilkenny Cats", certainly technical and possibly also legal as well.
Carlos Pedraza had devised a spin-off about Peter Kirk and his recent graduate friends including Xon called 'Star Trek: First Voyages', the pilot (Pomp and Circumstance) was later adapted into a Phase II script but that got canned
It was to be set aboard the Enterprise as a 'Lower Decks'-type show
It was to be set aboard the Enterprise as a 'Lower Decks'-type show
Like all of the others, but don't care for Origins; the bit I saw of Kirk biting his lip as he's about to cry while getting a dressing down from Pike just sounded off to me, especially considering how old Kirk is (a nine year old boy? Yes. A big young man his age? I'm sorry, but that stretches creditability a lot [to me].)
OK, I'm glad I followed the link and actually read the article. I thought this was saying that "Mind-Sifter" had now been shelved, but it turns out it was just the original version that had been shelved, and the revised version is still coming out.
What's funny about that is that Matt Ewald who played young Kirk also played Kenway in Lolani and got the same treatment from Kirk. He looked less like he was going to cry though.
Regarding Origins. Young men that age do, in fact, cry. I know this for a fact. I never had a problem with that in the Origins. I had a bit of a problem with Captain Pike screaming his head off, but that's a different matter.
So that explains why they were not released. A good rule of thumb is never do a press release on anything that has not finished shooting yet. People will be waiting and waiting on something that will never happen. Gives the production team a bad name.
As many good actors say, "playing 'angry' is usually the least interesting choice."
For what it's worth, after numerous takes, our Pike actor Mr. Colin Cunningham delivered the exact performance that Director Mr. David Gerrold wanted to capture. (Like James Cawley delivering a line like Shatner, the choice of how to play a scene is often the Director's.)
For a good way of looking at the fine art of ass-chewing one need only refer to Robert A. Heinlein's "Starship Troopers". An officer had a "closed-door" session with one of his top NCO's after one of their recruits screwed up that never had a raised voice. It's an interesting contrast to just turning up the decibels. Picard's brief carpet session with Ensign Ro was another good example. Picard clearly was angry, but never raised his voice and felt that his words would do the job without any vocal amplification.
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Then there's Larry David, who does raise his voice when he gets angry, but he also laughs simultaneously. To each his own.
Not when they're being yelled at like that; heck, Ender Wiggin had more fortitude facing his drill instructor. Something that would make a young man cry is the death of a person, a friend, or something more personally affecting, but I don't think a military dress-down counts-if they were like that, how would they have survived a place like Starfleet Academy?
Well then that makes Pike's behavior seem even more odd. What kind of professional person screams at someone who may have just killed their own father? It doesn't fit with the Pike we saw in The Cage or the new movies.
