Star Trek New Voyages in The New York Times
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WHOA quite a Facebook missive, Peters!
Now THAT was a Garth impression... but, sadly, the Garth of Elba II-
I read Alec's post my head using an over the top Steve Inhat voice. (1st sentence of Paragraph 2) Creepy how that sounded to me.
I hope that this is old.
An aside:
So help me, if any Kickstarter money is going to Lawyers, I am so done with Axanar- (despite its high production values and pedigreed group of actors)
- As for all the Googlers- the only way to tell if the story is apocryphal, (and I think it is) is to create a new profile, and re-install Chrome or Firefox completely fresh. then search once and not again. One or more of the screen capture examples posted upthread have purple ("I've been there already") links. (Google follows you... 1984/Big Brother style)
To further prove the unprovable - you gotta try it on a moble phone, then a tablet, then you gotta change platforms from Apple, to Android to Windows 10 and so forth. Everyone's mileage will vary on this.
None of this matters anyhow: The Journal covered one production a little while back, Now the The Times just covered the another. So... equal time.
Enough already.
I think all the even handed folks 'round here have a sense of what went on during/after Kitumba, and kinda want to move on. There is some justifiable bitterness in New York (God knows I'd have some!) but hey-New Voyages has links to Axanar (angry Garth aside) and has Richard Hatch. How cool is that?
Ironic that both actors playing BSG's Apollo soon will each have been in separate Star Trek Fan flms
Right now the critic in me likes Continues a bit better- but the empath in me- the one with the Trek Heart/Soul is with New Voyages. That said, I have this sense that the New Voyages team is working to further up their game- and good on them.
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For me, STC is like Marvel comics; they have an excellent product but the way they promote it always smacks of arrogance. Things like the way they used to promote themselves as the "Official" Star Trek Continues always rubbed me the wrong way.
NV/PII on the other hand always comes across to me as more likable. I hear more about them helping other productions than I do about them trying to separate themselves from the rest.
NV/PII on the other hand always comes across to me as more likable. I hear more about them helping other productions than I do about them trying to separate themselves from the rest.
@DCR- Yep that's clearly an apt metaphor (although Stan Lee's promotional style was once rather charming...Merry Marvel Marching Society!) Funny that what Lee and company did to Jack Kirby later reminds me of some of the issues aired here and in previous threads.
I've also sensed a behind the scenes Shatnerish /bombast/"grab more of the script" aspect to Continues' leadership. I hope all of that burns off as the production matures.
BUT You gotta give the devil his due: Continues promotes very well, the team releases on time, and they've got a friggin' orchestra.
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To be honest, I thought Stan carried it off rather well; it's his much more recent successors who have pushed things past the point of charm.
I agree though, STC does a lot of things very well and I look forward to every episode; just as I look forward to every episode of NV/PII.
On the flip side you have other potentially good fan project who don't market themselves, who don't pound their product over potential fans' heads, and as a result they barely make their kickstarter goals and suffer from meager funds. Beside the quality product, STC always tries to increase the number of fans and they're doing it right in that category.
Seems we're all in agreement here. We each seem to want New Voyages to succeed, get good press, and of course be recognized as the one that started it all.
If I may (mods feel free to move this if you see fit)
I'm going to circle back to the Phase II Concept. I know that Mr. Cawley has formally changed things to New Voyages (announced via a post to Greg I believe)- which is totally fine- but there was some merit in the "just before the movie/in lieu of movie" concept. It had challenges, sure- but clearly there was an opportunity.
Keonig, Takei and Crosby gave New Voyages a fine fourth year /fifth year? sendoff- so what's next?
I know we've seen glimpses of a new engine room, the short sleeved Kirk Shirt, some jump suits, lots of long hair, lots of XON, and seen the refit CGI via the "Going Boldly" short. (PS kudos on the asteroid refit/star base callback from the early Phase II/Movie concept illustrations!)
But that was as far as it went.
I think a slightly different timeframe and focus could easily have become a natural differentiator between the two fan series.
I do get that to do it (Phase II) right there would have had to have been many more changes, but... but... you get the opportunity to play a more seasoned Kirk and crew. Again, there were hints of this as Chekov gets his much deserved promotion. The problem is, now that it's no longer Phase II- the changes will just seem odd- out of place- and we'll get the nitpicking "Why is Chekov's uniform red?" "Those idiots!" and so forth.
Not all of the initial scripts for Phase II were fantastic, but New Voyages did do "The Child" & "Kitumba" -but there was more - I sure would have liked to have seen "Attain the All". For the record, I think a well thought out adaptation of that story would have been amazing. (I seem to remember issues with either this story or another Spinrad effort)
The Phase II concept is behind us.
Ok -
So is New Voyages now only gonna mean new engine nacelles to differentiate from other productions?
The layman: "I like the one with the skinny engines"
Other layman: "I liked the one with the green chick slave girl"
Third layman : "I liked the one with Buffy in command"
Fourth layman : "It would be cool if Buffy were green and took over the ship with the skinny engines, then had a space battle with the one with the round engines"
CM1701: "I like that Unique one- you know- the one with the best written, best directed stories featuring the best actors Kickstarter can find."
If I may (mods feel free to move this if you see fit)
I'm going to circle back to the Phase II Concept. I know that Mr. Cawley has formally changed things to New Voyages (announced via a post to Greg I believe)- which is totally fine- but there was some merit in the "just before the movie/in lieu of movie" concept. It had challenges, sure- but clearly there was an opportunity.
Keonig, Takei and Crosby gave New Voyages a fine fourth year /fifth year? sendoff- so what's next?
I know we've seen glimpses of a new engine room, the short sleeved Kirk Shirt, some jump suits, lots of long hair, lots of XON, and seen the refit CGI via the "Going Boldly" short. (PS kudos on the asteroid refit/star base callback from the early Phase II/Movie concept illustrations!)
But that was as far as it went.
I think a slightly different timeframe and focus could easily have become a natural differentiator between the two fan series.
I do get that to do it (Phase II) right there would have had to have been many more changes, but... but... you get the opportunity to play a more seasoned Kirk and crew. Again, there were hints of this as Chekov gets his much deserved promotion. The problem is, now that it's no longer Phase II- the changes will just seem odd- out of place- and we'll get the nitpicking "Why is Chekov's uniform red?" "Those idiots!" and so forth.
Not all of the initial scripts for Phase II were fantastic, but New Voyages did do "The Child" & "Kitumba" -but there was more - I sure would have liked to have seen "Attain the All". For the record, I think a well thought out adaptation of that story would have been amazing. (I seem to remember issues with either this story or another Spinrad effort)
The Phase II concept is behind us.
Ok -
So is New Voyages now only gonna mean new engine nacelles to differentiate from other productions?
The layman: "I like the one with the skinny engines"
Other layman: "I liked the one with the green chick slave girl"
Third layman : "I liked the one with Buffy in command"
Fourth layman : "It would be cool if Buffy were green and took over the ship with the skinny engines, then had a space battle with the one with the round engines"
CM1701: "I like that Unique one- you know- the one with the best written, best directed stories featuring the best actors Kickstarter can find."
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An orchestra is great but writing new music in the style of TOS (or rearranging the music) is a bit too much for my taste.
I too look forward to both but I must say that without this forum I wouldn't be able to keep them apart. One is new, the other has new actors and both have the same Uhura (so far).
Well, back to the music: That can give a hint.
The only catch, and again I'm seeing a Marvel parallel here, is that STC is doing much more of a job focusing on creating new STC fans rather than ST fan film fans, and the more they focus on setting themselves apart from the pack, the less that fandom will transfer over.
As an example, Axanar does "Fan Film Friday" where they highlight other fan films on the Axanar blog. That's a great way to help create more fans, and something more productions should do.
As I've said I am for New Voyages and Axanar (outside of Lord Garth rants)
But to extend your point regarding Continues' promotion, there is an element of Steve Jobs here-
He was a champion of making you want the Apple experience (an implied "cut above") not just the vanilla use of a Walkman or PC . So perhaps Continues is working at selling an ersatz Trek viewing experience, one not focused on being another (one of many) fan films.
That said,
Vic Mignongna was in Renegades, and seems to have supported that effort.
They've also supported Farragut in the past as well. I'm not saying they don't support any other films, but that the way they separate themselves from other films means that they are bringing in mostly STC fans, which tends to limit the benefits of increasing the number of overall fans that @Zaminhon mentioned earlier.
That was only on Facebook and it was because, early on, pranksters had created parallel/competing/trolling(?) STC Facebook pages and fb users had trouble telling which was the real... or "official" one.
You know, like when a celebrity has to create a Twitter name for themselves like "TheRealBlahBlah" because someone else already made one with their name? Same deal.
Fortunately the problem (and wording) is moot now.
Is that facebook screenshot recent/accurate?
I kinda liked Axanar better before joining this forum..
It's from this summer, yes.
Peters has perpetuated this rivalry with Mignogna and never fails to take any chance he can to bring it up. The lawsuit screenshot appeared suddenly (it's also linked to in the old Axanar thread here) and was eventually taken down (likely because cooler heads prevailed and convinced Peters he was being unreasonable).
The feud may be real. Mignogna may be doing all the things Peters accuses him of. However, the only proof I've ever seen or read online by any party of any kind of defamatory nature between the two has always come from Peters.
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No, it's not recent. And if you pay attention to the complaints in this forum you won't like anyone.Is that facebook screenshot recent/accurate?
I kinda liked Axanar better before joining this forum..
That's very true.
I was being somewhat sarcastic, barb. Generally i have a thick skin and a laissez faire attitude regarding things that don't really concern me directly.No, it's not recent. And if you pay attention to the complaints in this forum you won't like anyone.Is that facebook screenshot recent/accurate?
I kinda liked Axanar better before joining this forum..
Summer is somewhat recent, its only 3-4 months.
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