See title. Hilarious!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2zVw7dsGKM
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q2zVw7dsGKM
Star Trek nerd rants about how the new movie was a piece of crap.
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But were the readings also hilarious?
More hilarious than watching someone join a bbs just to flack a YouTube video?
Maybe, maybe not. But I'll pass.
Maybe, maybe not. But I'll pass.
I watched first minute or so and gave up. The guy claims TOS is not a real Star Trek
That was enough for me.
Not sure that this even would qualify as a fan film.
Star Trek started with Next Generation!?!
Was this guy born this stupid or does he have to work at it?
Was this guy born this stupid or does he have to work at it?
Not too stupid to have made a couple of people look, evidently.
That, of course, is a matter of definition. I have classified it as a review, vis: http://startrekreviewed.blogspot.com/2009/06/211.html . However, I confess I only watched the first three minutes. Too boring, and I don't review the reviews.
That was uncalled for.
Agreed, but it's accurate. I'm having issues with folks who are supposedly promoting fan films and yet take swipes at Exeter and/or publicly proclaim that they refuse to watch the episode, "The Tressaurian Intersection," until its finished while suggesting that their readers go to other fan films and watch them instead. Perhaps if they were actually producing fan films they'd have a better understanding of the delays that arise in any production.
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How nice. This, "person," decked out his parent's basement just for his little review.
Well, Barb has always been pretty even-handed. It's not just Exeter being singled out for non-viewing because it is still incomplete; it's any uncompleted fan production. Barb didn't watch Phase II's "Blood and Fire, Part 1" until "Blood and Fire, Part 2" was released a year later. I can understand where she draws her line. It's hard to recommend that viewers race to their computers and view the old fan production of Yorktown II with George Takei when all that's been released to date is a smattering of grainy Super 8 footage. I'd be pretty annoyed if she watched our already-released opening act for "Enemy: Starfleet!" and announced "Don't watch this episode when it comes out fully; it's clearly a real dog." I think people would say "Well, that's not really fair to criticize an episode when it's not even done."
And see, I can't. That would be like telling folks not to go see "The Empire Strikes Back" until "Return of the Jedi" came out.
It's not that she doesn't review them. I don't think anyone cares about whether or not she chooses to review this film or that film. It's that she actually came into a thread and practically said not to bother watching Tressaurian but to go watch these other completed fan films instead. Her choice for her own actions are fine, but to solicit others to disregard what may be one of the best fan films out there is crass, especially in a thread wherein Exeter is being discussed.
Well, I guess I can see that side, too-although I don't know how many people really say "Well, I was going to watch that Exeter thing, until I saw on Barb Reader's blog that I shouldn't watch it yet."
But aside from Exeter, what other unfinished fan productions do you think people are missing out on because Barb is dissuading people from watching?
That was the one that came to mind immediately this afternoon, Greg. I was completely unaware that she was doing the same with "Blood and Fire" which would have been, imo, equally absurd. I only follow Classic Trek fan films, so if she's done it with other productions, I apologize for not knowing that, but in no way would that change by criticism of her approach.
However, I must ask you whether or not she came into a "Blood and Fire" thread and actively told folks to go view other fan films because these other films were complete and BAF wasn't? If she didn't, then why does she do this with Exeter? If she did, then how did that make you and your Phase II production team feel?
Perhaps I've come down hard on Barbara today because I'm in a bit of a quandry.
You see, we're in post on "The Old Guys" and technically on "Care for a Lift?" and we're coming up on our shooting of "The Void" (our first full-length episode). I have an idea of when "The Old Guys" will probably be ready, but I'm not going to announce it until it's completely available on the Internet. That way if things fall through (as they have from time to time with other fan films, including Excalibur, Exeter and Phase II and yes, Potemkin!) then I won't be subjected to a barrage of folks demanding its release, or taking pot shots at Potemkin, or Barbara telling them to go to another fan film site.
My original plan was to do as Exeter has done: release it one act at a time. That way fans can see the progress we're making in general and have something to look forward to. Now, I'm realizing that I need to reconsider that plan altogether.
However, I must ask you whether or not she came into a "Blood and Fire" thread and actively told folks to go view other fan films because these other films were complete and BAF wasn't? If she didn't, then why does she do this with Exeter? If she did, then how did that make you and your Phase II production team feel?
Perhaps I've come down hard on Barbara today because I'm in a bit of a quandry.
You see, we're in post on "The Old Guys" and technically on "Care for a Lift?" and we're coming up on our shooting of "The Void" (our first full-length episode). I have an idea of when "The Old Guys" will probably be ready, but I'm not going to announce it until it's completely available on the Internet. That way if things fall through (as they have from time to time with other fan films, including Excalibur, Exeter and Phase II and yes, Potemkin!) then I won't be subjected to a barrage of folks demanding its release, or taking pot shots at Potemkin, or Barbara telling them to go to another fan film site.
My original plan was to do as Exeter has done: release it one act at a time. That way fans can see the progress we're making in general and have something to look forward to. Now, I'm realizing that I need to reconsider that plan altogether.
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No, saying not to see "The Empire Strikes Back" Until "Return of The Jedi" came out, would be like saying not to see "The Savage Empire" until "The Tressaurian Intersection" was finished. Although, I'm not a Star Wars fan, and I admit the only reason I saw anything past the original "Star Wars" was that there were people I knew who would have been impossible to deal with if I had not. These films are set out as stories by the people who created them. The filmmakers get to decide what a whole film is, and what a whole story is. Blood and Fire I was a whole film, but by the decision of the people at Phase II, not a whole story. I was not the person who decided it was Part 1 of 2. They did. All I did was respect their decision. The filmmaker decides what a whole story is, I don't.
What is clear from this discussion is that Randy L, aka Potemkin, has either not actually read what I have written on this partially completed fan film, or is purposely distorting it. He knows which, I don't. What I wrote was certainly not defamatory. I recommend waiting " because once you start it, you'll want to watch it through to the end." The only negative statements are that the film isn't complete, a statement he does not dispute, and that the Exeter website does not make that clear. Not every newbie reads Star Trek boards, I didn't, and I was disappointed and frustrated. I wished I had been warned. Other that that, the whole discussion is praise. It also makes it clear that I have, in fact, watched it, (here is my Exeter page, vis: http://startrekreviewed.blogspot.com/2009/06/21.html ) Randy L, aka "Potemkin" keeps saying I haven't. Is he purposely making false statements, or has he not actually read what he is complaining about? Only he knows.
What is more, the discussion makes clear that I expect the episode to be completed, which many people do not. Exeter is Art. I confess when I wrote that review, I didn't think that I'd be sitting here over a year later and the last part would still not be out. Accuse me of having too much faith, and I will agree with that. However, I do think that the last part will be out a year from now. I could be wrong. But, given the news Dennis released, that 's what I expect. Certainly in two years. If they formally state they will not release the last part, I will reconsider my position. For now, I will continue to have faith.
Potemkin may think other fan films, complete fan films, are unworthy of people's time. That is his right. In fact, my website links to his website to give people the option of seeing everything he has to say. I admit that at one time, a month or two ago, I didn't realize he was Orion Press and said something dumb about running a website. I was wrong, I think I apologized, but if I didn't do it then, let me do it now, and if I did do it then, I'll apologize again for getting confused. I didn't associate "Potemkin" (which makes me think of a Russian general who set up fake villages for Catherine the Great and a Cadillac dealership in Harlem, NY) with Orion (which I associate with a Star Trek criminal empire, a nebulae, a group of stars in the night sky, and a Greek myth).
I have given some thought to what I might offer him to calm him down. Perhaps it will make him feel better if I promise to never review his films? I will be happy to make that promise!! Instead, when it is released and given it's own web page, it will state something like (we can work at the words at that time) "This film (or these films) will not be reviewed at the filmmaker's request."
Now, I realize Randy "Potemkin" "Orion" is likely to find something I just said very bad. But, I am under the impression that the only thing I can say he doesn't object to is, "I have added a link to your web page, here:", "Please check your webpage for inaccuracies and let me know if it is not correct" and "I'm sorry."
What is clear from this discussion is that Randy L, aka Potemkin, has either not actually read what I have written on this partially completed fan film, or is purposely distorting it. He knows which, I don't. What I wrote was certainly not defamatory. I recommend waiting " because once you start it, you'll want to watch it through to the end." The only negative statements are that the film isn't complete, a statement he does not dispute, and that the Exeter website does not make that clear. Not every newbie reads Star Trek boards, I didn't, and I was disappointed and frustrated. I wished I had been warned. Other that that, the whole discussion is praise. It also makes it clear that I have, in fact, watched it, (here is my Exeter page, vis: http://startrekreviewed.blogspot.com/2009/06/21.html ) Randy L, aka "Potemkin" keeps saying I haven't. Is he purposely making false statements, or has he not actually read what he is complaining about? Only he knows.
What is more, the discussion makes clear that I expect the episode to be completed, which many people do not. Exeter is Art. I confess when I wrote that review, I didn't think that I'd be sitting here over a year later and the last part would still not be out. Accuse me of having too much faith, and I will agree with that. However, I do think that the last part will be out a year from now. I could be wrong. But, given the news Dennis released, that 's what I expect. Certainly in two years. If they formally state they will not release the last part, I will reconsider my position. For now, I will continue to have faith.
Potemkin may think other fan films, complete fan films, are unworthy of people's time. That is his right. In fact, my website links to his website to give people the option of seeing everything he has to say. I admit that at one time, a month or two ago, I didn't realize he was Orion Press and said something dumb about running a website. I was wrong, I think I apologized, but if I didn't do it then, let me do it now, and if I did do it then, I'll apologize again for getting confused. I didn't associate "Potemkin" (which makes me think of a Russian general who set up fake villages for Catherine the Great and a Cadillac dealership in Harlem, NY) with Orion (which I associate with a Star Trek criminal empire, a nebulae, a group of stars in the night sky, and a Greek myth).
I have given some thought to what I might offer him to calm him down. Perhaps it will make him feel better if I promise to never review his films? I will be happy to make that promise!! Instead, when it is released and given it's own web page, it will state something like (we can work at the words at that time) "This film (or these films) will not be reviewed at the filmmaker's request."
Now, I realize Randy "Potemkin" "Orion" is likely to find something I just said very bad. But, I am under the impression that the only thing I can say he doesn't object to is, "I have added a link to your web page, here:", "Please check your webpage for inaccuracies and let me know if it is not correct" and "I'm sorry."
In your diatribe, you've vainly tried to obfuscate the matter. The only thing at issue here is your behavior:
Did you or did you not direct fans in another thread here on TrekBBS to go view a different fan film series because "Tressaurian" wasn't complete? Answer: You did.
That's just wrong.
Did you or did you not direct fans in another thread here on TrekBBS to go view a different fan film series because "Tressaurian" wasn't complete? Answer: You did.
That's just wrong.
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