Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x10 - "No Small Parts"

[dswynne1]

SNIP!

Again, this is not about "hindsight." Anti-racist activism has a very long history. There were, for instance, a hell of a lot of people protesting against Gone With the Wind and Song of the South in the 1940s for perpetuating racist stereotypes and tropes.[/QUOTE]

...Which is as it SHOULD be, and that's the point. Not OUR place to dictate what is based on OUR standards, but rather learn from the past, appreciate it for what it is, so that what was won't occur again. But the next question is this: if said depictions of racist stereotypes are harmful, such as Breakfast at Tiffany's, Genghis Khan, etc., should they be censored into oblivion? I say, nay, since I don't believe in censorship of any kind, save for what is age-appropriate (especially without context).

And, btw, if I am being argumentative about these things, my thing is about where Western culture in general should go, as far as where society should be vis-a-vis free speech. Some feel that "free speech" should be "regulated", while others believe that social pressure should be the deciding factor in these things. What say you?

 

[Michael]

@dswynne1, @Sci: I know Lower Decks is off the air right now and there isn‘t a whole lot to talk about the show, but I feel like your line of conversation has gone as far as it should at this place. So either steer this back to anything resembling a conversation about “No Small Parts” or take it elsewhere, please. Thank you.

 

[Sci]

Respecting @Michael 's order that we steer this topic back, I only want to specify that at no point did I or anyone else propose or advocate for censorship.

 

[Phoenix219]

That Riker.. calling red alert after firing phaser and torpedos

and missed opportunity for Invalidating Trip death by Troi saying "you know that holodeck program is inaccurate right?" "what do you mean?" "That engineer did not really died"

That would be genius, open the door for a ton of possibilities, and calm down a HUGE section of the fan-base..... they should make Riker's holonovels a running gag, so when someone finally yells at him, with frustration, its completely natural.

 

[Phoenix219]

Sisko is the most important character on DS9 and one of the most important characters in the Star Trek franchise. Sisko did indeed acknowledge the existence of white supremacy but he did not fight against it, meaningfully or otherwise, because it did not exist in his time. (I suppose one could say that when he assumed the persona of Gabriel Bell in Past Tense he did, but as presented in the episode, the issue was class rather than race.)

As great as "Far Beyond the Stars" was and as great as it was to have ST address white supremacy head-on rather than through allegory, Benny Russell wasn't real, isn't one of the most important characters in DS9 by any reasonable definition of the word "important," and did not meaningfully fight against white supremacy since his goal (noble as it was) was relatively limited (publish a story with an African American hero), since he did not achieve that goal or come close to it, and most importantly since he was imaginary. It is not a sign of disrespect to "Far Beyond the Stars" to describe Benny Russell as "some African American writer." That's what he was.

Honestly, thats really what today's problem is, but it gets masked with the race stuff, to keep us divided and bickering, when race truly isn't the issue at all, but a class/power/wealth thing, IMO only.

 

[Sci]

Honestly, thats really what today's problem is, but it gets masked with the race stuff, to keep us divided and bickering, when race truly isn't the issue at all, but a class/power/wealth thing, IMO only.

If that were true, black people would not be significantly more likely to be harassed, arrested, assaulted, and murdered by police.

Class absolutely is important, and I agree that one of the functions of white supremacy is to keep the proletariat divided so that they don't threaten the power of the ruling class. But that doesn't mean racism isn't a real issue. Race and class simply cannot be separated in the United States; they are intimately intertwined systems of social control.

 

[Phoenix219]

Or so the propaganda would have you believe.

But, I am in the wrong place for that conversation.

 

[SolarisOne]

Or so the propaganda would have you believe.

But, I am in the wrong place for that conversation.

 

[Sci]

Or so the propaganda would have you believe.

Denying the existence of systemic racism in the United States is not cute. I'm 100% with you on the need to talk about classism as well, but please do not pretend that racism is not a problem in a country where racism is so endemic that even black infants have a higher infant mortality rate than white infants.

 

[Noname Given]

That would be genius, open the door for a ton of possibilities, and calm down a HUGE section of the fan-base..... they should make Riker's holonovels a running gag, so when someone finally yells at him, with frustration, its completely natural.

I would have loved hey Deanna Troi line of:
"I'll never forgive Data and Geordi for what they did to to me with that particular holodeck program...They still laugh about it to this day!"

 

[Super Grover]

Am I the only one who feels like Shax had plenty of time to get back in the Shuttlecraft?

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

Am I the only one who feels like Shax had plenty of time to get back in the Shuttlecraft?

Or to a Pakled shuttle or escape pod?

To be fair, that whole part of the ep was in super-fast-forward, but anyone who can push a shuttle back into space should never be counted out.

 

[Noname Given]

Am I the only one who feels like Shax had plenty of time to get back in the Shuttlecraft?

Wait, I thought he had to push the shuttle craft out through the force field?

 

[Aragorn]

Wait, I thought he had to push the shuttle craft out through the force field?

That's what he did.

 

[Nyotarules]

Peanut Hamper's actions were very unbecoming of a Starfleet officer. It (she?) should probably be court-martialed.

She will get promoted to admiral instead

 

[Nerys Myk]

She will get promoted to admiral instead

They gotta rescue her first.

 

[Oddish]

She will get promoted to admiral instead

Eventually. She'll probably be recovered, explain away what happened, eventually made admiral, and then do something horrible like start a witch hunt, declare martial law on Earth, or conspire with the Cardassians to blow up Bajor.

 

[donners22]

Finally got around to this. Not quite sure why it got so much positive reception, but each to their own. I'm rather miffed that the best character was killed.

 

[Tim Thomason]

Eventually. She'll probably be recovered, explain away what happened, eventually made admiral, and then do something horrible like start a witch hunt, declare martial law on Earth, or conspire with the Cardassians to blow up Bajor.

She was abandoned in Pakled space. Those Pakleds are almost guaranteed to come back and pick up whatever they can find. Pakleds have also been known to beam onboard sentient robots and give them shelter (Lore between Datalore and Brothers), so the pieces are put in to place for Peanut Hamper's return.

And don't forget about Badgey, who exists within the Pakled computer systems now. As I remarked back in October...

Peanut Hamper might be Badgey's ticket back onto the Cerritos.

We haven't seen the last of Peanut Hamper, Badgey, or the Pakleds. Everything is in place for more action on this front.

 

[Oddish]

And it would be welcome. I hope Boimler gets to stay on the Titan for awhile. Because, you know, Riker and Troi.