Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x06 - "Terminal Provocations"

[Commander Richard]

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[F. King Daniel]

THANK YOU for acknowledging the TRUE NCC-502.

Carry on

 

[Captain Moe]

Loved the cheese fur line.

 

[Ar-Pharazon]

THANK YOU for acknowledging the TRUE NCC-502.

Carry on

Should've gone full NCC-0502. I know @The Wormhole would agree.

 

[Timo]

Naah. NCC-G502. Or even NCC-G02, with our eyes deceiving us a bit with that first symbol...

What's with that breaching pod that slams down from the ceiling? A turbolift gone wild? A Klingon TARDIS? Waiting for new tech revelations here.

Timo Saloniemi

 

[The Wormhole]

Should've gone full NCC-0502. I know @The Wormhole would agree.

This is the Prime Universe, we don't do registry numbers Abrams style around here.

NX-01 is a completely different matter.

 

[Dukhat]

This is the Prime Universe, we don't do registry numbers Abrams style around here.

But...but...the Kelvin is a Prime universe ship!

 

[The Wormhole]

But...but...the Kelvin is a Prime universe ship!

Unless you follow Simon Pegg's thing that the changes to the timeline also go back prior to Nero's arrival.

 

[Dukhat]

Unless you follow Simon Pegg's thing that the changes to the timeline also go back prior to Nero's arrival.

I don't.

 

[The Wormhole]

Well, I do.

 

[Dukhat]

Well, good for you. But since Pegg's theory was never canonically mentioned, I'm going with the timeline being changed only from 2233 onwards.

Plus, Pegg has never convinced me of his logic. Why would the timeline change both ways just because Nero went back to 2233? Did the timeline change both ways when Marty McFly went back to 1955?

 

[Commander Richard]

Maybe something else came through earlier.

 

[Dukhat]

Maybe something else came through earlier.

And what would that have been?

 

[Commander Richard]

^ No idea. Could be as simple as a piece of debris though. And through a series of events, it could cause bigger changes.

 

[Dukhat]

^ No idea. Could be as simple as a piece of debris though. And through a series of events, it could cause bigger changes.

My point is that if there was another factor that caused things to change even earlier, in reverse, etc., it was never mentioned or alluded to. Therefore, there's no reason to assume that something like that happened, and that the simplest explanation is the right one (i.e. the Kelvin and her crew came from the prime universe, which was only changed after Nero's incursion in 2233.)

 

[Commander Richard]

^ I generally agree with that but I can also go either way. I always thought that if the Kelvin universe were a TV show with enough time to flesh things out, they might have revealed that something or someone came through earlier. Even if nothing was mentioned on-screen, it still works as a possibility. It was just a casual thought I had and it's fun to speculate. It could even explain why the Kelvin itself didn't look TOS-like.

 

[Dukhat]

Actually, the Kelvin and her sister ships look far more TOS-like than the supposedly 'prime-universe-ten-years-before-TOS' DSC ships do. But that's just me.

 

[DaveyNY]

I like SImon Pegg a lot (especially as Scotty), but that theory of his is just plain dumb.

AFAIC, things began getting altered because of the Temporal Cold War, not because of some hitherto unknown, backward traveling time vortex that occured with the Narada's jump.
(Q's shenanigans with Picard don't apply here either)

 

[Commander Richard]

Actually, the Kelvin and her sister ships look far more TOS-like than the supposedly 'prime-universe-ten-years-before-TOS' DSC ships do. But that's just me.

I agree but at the time people weren't thinking of Kelvin as a visual reboot.

 

[Dukhat]

But it showed that something that had the TOS aesthetic could be taken seriously and that they didn't have to reinvent the wheel by the time DSC was produced.