Or the teacher is just trolling the kids.
Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x03 - "Temporal Edict"
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Or the teacher is just trolling the kids.
Heh... "Hissy fit cat dr"...that's definitely a good double entendre. She's a cat, hisses...has a fit...hissy fit...hhheheheeheheheh...ok I'll see myself out.OK ... this episode is a 9.
Just because I LoL'd at the Hissy-Fit Cat Dr.
Perhaps his statue is as a tribute to all the enlisted personnel who served in the Dominion War. Since he was on the front lines a lot he was selected, with a bit of input from Admiral Ross.
I dunno, if you want to have an every man of Starfleet to revere as the working horse of the Federation then you could do a lot worse than Miles. Maybe in the future they revere the meat and potatoes types versus the Captains.
IDK I got it. You can't whip a crew into being productive. You have to temper reasonable goals with the talents of each individual. Some people can work independently and some require constant supervision. One size fits all isn't the best approach to productivity or leadership. At the academy (EDIT to add: USAF SNCO Academy not Starfleet) they taught us earned authority is a leadership trait that is the most powerful to have and hardest to achieve. I think the Captain may have been reminded of that this week.
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It's supposed to be a comedy. Jokes are fine.
And, contrary to the opinions of SOME, O'Brien was a hugely important character, albeit one who didn't do any of the sexy, glamorous jobs. But for him to be recognized in the future as the great man that he was is a funny joke, to be sure, but also completely consistent with "reality."
So...I loved the first two episodes...
But i really didn't like this one all that much. I gave it a four and I'm not sure whether I wasn't too generous with that (though maybe not? I feel the lower numbers might be for episodes I find repulsive or offensive, which I didn't do with this episode)
The plot this week didn't do it for me, Tendi and Rutherford didn't really feature all that much. And I didn't find the jokes all that funny this time around.
It also kinda felt like there was too much going on; there was Boimler doing Boimler stuff, and the Captain stressing out over the way her ship is viewed by Starfleet, and the crew suffering due to buffer time being abolished, and then Mariner and Ramson on the planet being a less comedic version of Mariner and Boimler on the planet last week, and the aliens attacking the ship.
I also understand that they want to split up the characters on occasion but I found Mariner less funny when she didn't have Boimler to play off on. And rather than sticking her with Ransom I'd rather see her with Tendi or Rutherford.
The teaser would have been funny...if they hadn't given the joke away last week. So it was funny last week but not now.
But I did laugh about the ending, with Boimler's Law and the "now for somebody really important: Chief O'Brien!"
Hopefully I'll like next week's episode better again.
Edit: Though I did appreciate some of the smaller bits like the Gorn fight music (I think that's what it is?) playing during the arena fight and the little Borg girl being shown learning with the other children in "the Far Future"
So is that a future were the Borg have been pacified?
But i really didn't like this one all that much. I gave it a four and I'm not sure whether I wasn't too generous with that (though maybe not? I feel the lower numbers might be for episodes I find repulsive or offensive, which I didn't do with this episode)
The plot this week didn't do it for me, Tendi and Rutherford didn't really feature all that much. And I didn't find the jokes all that funny this time around.
It also kinda felt like there was too much going on; there was Boimler doing Boimler stuff, and the Captain stressing out over the way her ship is viewed by Starfleet, and the crew suffering due to buffer time being abolished, and then Mariner and Ramson on the planet being a less comedic version of Mariner and Boimler on the planet last week, and the aliens attacking the ship.
I also understand that they want to split up the characters on occasion but I found Mariner less funny when she didn't have Boimler to play off on. And rather than sticking her with Ransom I'd rather see her with Tendi or Rutherford.
The teaser would have been funny...if they hadn't given the joke away last week. So it was funny last week but not now.
But I did laugh about the ending, with Boimler's Law and the "now for somebody really important: Chief O'Brien!"
Hopefully I'll like next week's episode better again.
Edit: Though I did appreciate some of the smaller bits like the Gorn fight music (I think that's what it is?) playing during the arena fight and the little Borg girl being shown learning with the other children in "the Far Future"
So is that a future were the Borg have been pacified?
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Mike specifically said 'Legacy Actors', so there will be some coming.
I get that. I just don't think the narrative did a good job of exploring that or landing the idea fully. But YMMV. Maybe on a second watch it'll stick more for me.
However, I did enjoy the episode, just felt the story fell short.
I liked this episode. Lots of great call-backs to past Trek. I especially liked the arena fight, a definite wink to Kirk and the Gorn. Interesting plot. It had a nice message about productivity too. It was funny seeing Boimler getting a plaque for the opposite of what he wanted. It was nice that Boimler was the hero in this episode and that Mariner was not the know-it-all that she tends to be.
Miles O'Brien didn't really do anything noteworthy in his 14 seasons, in comparison to his bigger-than-life counterparts (Picard, Sisko, Worf, Bashir), so how he eclipses them in the eyes of the Far Futurites is likely a matter of one of two things: something he does post-DS9 that has to be super-amazing and/or someone influential in later generations changing and elevating the perception of O'Brien through some piece of groundbreaking literature/media.
And that last bit was really the point of the clip. They only know of Boimler because of the Boimler Effect, and any other activities he did (of which we're about to witness some) are just historical trivia of no concern to them. O'Brien is only the greatest Starfleeter because of one event or series of event that popularized him at a later point.
It could even be O'Brien himself. At DS9's end, he became an Academy professor. His long and storied career would soon be told to his students, many of which would go on to become the heroes of their day.
Socrates is the Father of (Western) Philosophy despite the fact that he never seems to have written anything down: Everything we know about Socrates comes from his students, mostly Plato (who wrote quite a bit... and his student's student did a good job of trying to conquer the known world). O'Brien might go on to influence the influencer of the guy who publicly saved reality or something.
And that last bit was really the point of the clip. They only know of Boimler because of the Boimler Effect, and any other activities he did (of which we're about to witness some) are just historical trivia of no concern to them. O'Brien is only the greatest Starfleeter because of one event or series of event that popularized him at a later point.
It could even be O'Brien himself. At DS9's end, he became an Academy professor. His long and storied career would soon be told to his students, many of which would go on to become the heroes of their day.
Socrates is the Father of (Western) Philosophy despite the fact that he never seems to have written anything down: Everything we know about Socrates comes from his students, mostly Plato (who wrote quite a bit... and his student's student did a good job of trying to conquer the known world). O'Brien might go on to influence the influencer of the guy who publicly saved reality or something.
You need to recalibrate. This was the only good episode.
Oh my god, why are we overanalyzing the O'Brien joke?! It's not supposed to be about something amazing O'Brien does "in the future."
IT'S
A
JOKE
The point is that, "ha ha, you expected to see us talking about Kirk, Picard or Sisko, people who were big decision makers in galactic events, but actually we revere a competent working-class technician."
That's the whole thing.
You're suffocating the comedy with this nonsense.
They've all been good.
Now you know how some of us feel when you posted your opinions in the previous episode threads.
Interesting turn of events.
As Behr puts it, they had heroes falling out of their asses. Every main character seems capable of doing something heroic at all times. The fact that the most everyman in Star Trek still ends up being remembered in the annals of the Federation is a good ironic laugh.
I still found it funny. But, you know, it "really" happened, so it's fun to speculate on why he becomes considered the greatest in history. I don't expect this to ever be referenced on the show again, or for O'Brien to be reverently name-dropped in Discovery's 32nd century setting. But it's like the greebles and grobles: fun to see, fun to talk about, it doesn't affect the show or hurt anybody. I'm sorry if this suffocated the comedy for you. Here's an ignore button for you to help you breathe.
And it's really an aspirational point of the show that these everymen, either Lower Deckers or Enlisted Noncoms in O'Brien's case will get their due notice in time. The show has been pressing the point that it's the Mariners and Boimlers and Rutherfords (and O'Briens) that really maintain these ships, and the Ransoms and Rikers are the ones just standing around and "commanding".
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