No, they're completely different situations. Entirely. One is expressing an opinion.
The other is writing paragraphs of fan fiction in order to "explain" a joke.
Spoilers Star Trek: Lower Decks 1x03 - "Temporal Edict"
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No, they're completely different situations. Entirely. One is expressing an opinion.
The other is writing paragraphs of fan fiction in order to "explain" a joke.
Didn't mean to rain on fun speculation. But it seemed like you were trying to bend yourself into a pretzel in order to "justify" how this joke "makes sense", when the whole point of jokes is that they're not supposed to make sense.
It's just supposed to be a classic joke of misdirection. You THINK it's going to be a larger than life hero, but it's just an ordinary working stiff. Trying to "explain" how O'Brien could "realistically" become the greatest hero in the Federation by doing X, Y, Z major events is counter to the entire point of the joke, which is that a humble everyman is revered as a great hero.
to get back to over analyzing the joke, I was thinking more of a butterfly effect, something that we might have even seen him do already, that becomes a lynch pin the history of the future.
It might have been a joke done by Sisko, since he no longer experiences linear time the same way. So, he saw O'Brien do something awesome, but put the statue in the wrong time frame.
See I didn't see the joke since I've seen statues of everyman type people.
Besides, we're Trek fans. Overanalysis is what we do. Hence dissecting a comedy show for pages on end
To paraphrase Worf:
It's a joke to us, sure, but she was a teacher not a comedian. This isn't a sketch show: McMahan has been pretty clear that this is meant to take place in the Star Trek universe:
So, why does a teacher in the far future consider Chief O'Brien "perhaps the most important person in Starfleet history"? We'll never know, as you've said, but speculation is already rampant in the usual places, and Memory Alpha has been updated, which means that this fact will always exist about Miles now, and will be probably be explored twenty years from now by overzealous fans like myself.
The phrase "perhaps the most important person" now makes it seem like an opinion piece from the teacher herself. Perhaps she is about to go into the Dominion War discussion with O'Brien's innovation of self-replicating mines that greatly shaped the course of that war and perhaps future wars.[/bending myself into a pretzel]
https://www.slashfilm.com/star-trek-lower-decks-details-from-creator-mike-mcmahan/ said:
So, why does a teacher in the far future consider Chief O'Brien "perhaps the most important person in Starfleet history"? We'll never know, as you've said, but speculation is already rampant in the usual places, and Memory Alpha has been updated, which means that this fact will always exist about Miles now, and will be probably be explored twenty years from now by overzealous fans like myself.
The phrase "perhaps the most important person" now makes it seem like an opinion piece from the teacher herself. Perhaps she is about to go into the Dominion War discussion with O'Brien's innovation of self-replicating mines that greatly shaped the course of that war and perhaps future wars.[/bending myself into a pretzel]
10!
Best episode so far, pacing was good, jokes hit, Excellent!
"Fine.. look like a scratching post..."
and Miles! HA!
Best episode so far, pacing was good, jokes hit, Excellent!
"Fine.. look like a scratching post..."
and Miles! HA!
We're Trekkies.
The rest of fandom has eclipsed us in crazy but we are the OG "overanalyze everything."
In the STARMAN series by James Robinson, there's a funny scene where the Legion of Superheroes (who come from a Federation-esque utopia) go back in time to meet with Jack Knight and his father. They're polite to Jack but go absolutely gaga over his father. His father assumes it's because he is famous in the future for being Starman. In fact, no, he's famous for the fact that he discovered cosmic energy (the stuff that he uses to fight crime) and that's the staple power source of the future.
Like Tony Stark would be barely remembered as an Avenger versus his work on the ARC reactor.
It makes me think Miles O'Brien might be famous in the future for all the tiny calibrations and transporter modifications he made (since his statue is of him at a console) versus any of the heroic acts of daring do everyone else does. For all we know, in the far future, Miles O'Brien is famous for, "Man who developed way of safely transporting in and out wormholes."
That would be Rom.
Mind you, for my OWN overanalysis, I predict that Far future is actually set in the post-dystopian future we're visiting in Disco Season 3. Given they completely misunderstand Boomer, we may find out Miles O'Brien is known for defeating a Gorn with gunpowder and winning the Dominion War with the help of the Borg.
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If a Breen ever took off their helmet and we saw a black actor underneath you know a lot of our fanbase would have a meltdown. 
If a Breen ever took off their helmet and we saw a black actor underneath you know a lot of our fanbase would have a meltdown.
I felt like continuing the joke with, "No, it has to be a woman too. Janeway can be captain and Sisko can be captain but a black woman? That's political correctness gone too far!"
But sadly I've met too many people who'd say that with all sincerity.
Maybe some of history was lost between now and then.
In the books the Breen were multiple species. I would do that on screen as wellIf a Breen ever took off their helmet and we saw a black actor underneath you know a lot of our fanbase would have a meltdown.
Exactly so. I feel like Galaxy Quest was too on the nose for that point.
And Abraham Lincoln killed vampires.
No, Abraham Lincoln helped kill Kahlass and Colonel Green with Kirk.
...
No wonder history in Star Trek is borked.
Honest criticism, this DID feel like the "incompetents in space" thing I was worried the show would be doing. I was hoping we could keep out of that with the Senior Staff.
Reminds me of this - it's about politicians, just replace them with fictional characters... https://www.mcsweeneys.net/articles...dentally-im-starting-to-hate-elizabeth-warren
So if a Breen removed his helmet and turned out to be Pedro Pascal, would two fandoms have a meltdown?
The first two episodes I... "generously" would grade at a "5" as they for me were just sort of there, with just a lot of stuff in there that kind of irked me and I thought were too much but nothing in it that was strictly "bad."
This episode I'd probably say I'd grade.... 7
It was a little more enjoyable, the humor seemed to be a bit better on beat to what I like and even the "he's got wood!" "joke" wasn't the low brow one it seemed to be set-up as when it was brought up earlier (along with the "grabbing a vibrating joy stick in your hand" joke) as in the context of where/how the line was used it's double entendre-ness off it was a bit less on the nose.
Mariner is still too much, but she seemed maybe down a notch or two here, but she still strikes me as too experienced and seasoned for someone presumably so young and early in career but she was a bit better to take this time.
A bit.
Brad also seemed to be less the whiny weenus this time around, but wish we'd get more from Rutherford and Tendri as they're the tow I think are the ones with more interesting personalities that are less cliches.
Yeah, it was decent. I think some of the stuff is still a little to heavy and broad but, somehow, this time it all seemed to work for me in a "it's just a cartoon" concept as everything seemed to be in a niche that worked and it wasn't trying so hard, and shouting and strangling the audience to "laugh, laugh dammit!"
I even got to like the First Officer guy and the Captain is obviously incompetent.
I guess I can say, "Well done, Lower Decks." I didn't really laugh or anything, but I was entertained and didn't come out of it annoyed.
This episode I'd probably say I'd grade.... 7
It was a little more enjoyable, the humor seemed to be a bit better on beat to what I like and even the "he's got wood!" "joke" wasn't the low brow one it seemed to be set-up as when it was brought up earlier (along with the "grabbing a vibrating joy stick in your hand" joke) as in the context of where/how the line was used it's double entendre-ness off it was a bit less on the nose.
Mariner is still too much, but she seemed maybe down a notch or two here, but she still strikes me as too experienced and seasoned for someone presumably so young and early in career but she was a bit better to take this time.
A bit.
Brad also seemed to be less the whiny weenus this time around, but wish we'd get more from Rutherford and Tendri as they're the tow I think are the ones with more interesting personalities that are less cliches.
Yeah, it was decent. I think some of the stuff is still a little to heavy and broad but, somehow, this time it all seemed to work for me in a "it's just a cartoon" concept as everything seemed to be in a niche that worked and it wasn't trying so hard, and shouting and strangling the audience to "laugh, laugh dammit!"
I even got to like the First Officer guy and the Captain is obviously incompetent.
I guess I can say, "Well done, Lower Decks." I didn't really laugh or anything, but I was entertained and didn't come out of it annoyed.
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