Star Trek Generations: Picard's Imaginary wife

[Pauln6]

The impression that I got from the OP is that Bev (or another love) should have been the imaginary wife in the movie as is.

Ok, I suppose the OP's question was if anybody found it odd that it was a generic wife as opposed to an established past/possible love.

In the movie as is, any past love from TNG could have been used to the same effect (fans would have got it, not fans would not have known or cared - much like Rebecca Romjin's cameo in X-men: First Class). It was obviously a decision that was taken deliberately. If they'd used Beverley, then I think some additional/altered scenes would have been needed.

The scene with Troi could have worked, although it would have stolen pretty much Troi's only significant scene.

 

[Kirby]

The Nexus reality shows Picard's 'road not taken' so someone who Picard already knew wouldn't make a whole lot of sense considering his life would be so different and an unknown wife would make more sense.
That said, I didn't get the whole Victorian wardrobe for his family, I'm sure that was some part of Picard's perfect world, but it just looked odd in the Trek universe. I wonder if Picard hated his Nexus kids as much as I did...

 

[Computer Voice]

I guess considering Picard's feelings at the time, it didn't so much matter to him who his wife and children were, it mattered more that he had them.

 

[JarodRussell]

None of you guys ever dreamed of people you don't actually know?

 

[sonak]

None of you guys ever dreamed of people you don't actually know?

I think personal fantasies usually involve someone you know in your life, or someone you at least know of, like a famous person.


I'd think, just based on pure speculation, it would actually be kind of rare to fantasize about some random, made-up person.

 

[JarodRussell]

None of you guys ever dreamed of people you don't actually know?

I think personal fantasies usually involve someone you know in your life, or someone you at least know of, like a famous person.


I'd think, just based on pure speculation, it would actually be kind of rare to fantasize about some random, made-up person.

The Nexus was more supposed to be a dream world. Fantasies are active, dreams are passive. Which is why Picard had an imaginary wife, and Kirk went from bedroom to stable (out of his control).

 

[Finn]

People who had never seen TNG and went in cold to see Generations were so low in number to be almost non-existent.

Source?

None. Just my belief.
Can you cite a source that disputes it?

Citing an source to dispute an nonexistent source?

 

[Therin of Andor]

People who had never seen TNG and went in cold to see Generations were so low in number to be almost non-existent.

Source?

The source that would disprove antiquityscion's speculation would be Paramount's then-ST Archivist, Richard Arnold, who often mentioned at conventions that Paramount estimated that approx 10% of a cinema audience in a ST movie called themselves diehard ST fans - and less than 1% of that cinema audience would buy the licensed ST tie-ins. They know that from sales of the novels vs number of seats sold.

Where the figures get rubbery is that some fans go back multiple times. But the movies are not made for the fans. The profitable ones have benefited from repeat attendees, but those films also tend to be the ones to appeal to the general public.

 

[Finn]

Nice

 

[sonak]

None of you guys ever dreamed of people you don't actually know?

I think personal fantasies usually involve someone you know in your life, or someone you at least know of, like a famous person.


I'd think, just based on pure speculation, it would actually be kind of rare to fantasize about some random, made-up person.

The Nexus was more supposed to be a dream world. Fantasies are active, dreams are passive. Which is why Picard had an imaginary wife, and Kirk went from bedroom to stable (out of his control).

what? why would you assume that? Guinan tells Picard he has complete control over his "personal fantasy," when she says he can go back and see his children being born, or go forward and see his grandchildren.

And Kirk went to the stable because of his active wish to make the relationship with Antonia right from the beginning.


a fantasy paradise realm that you have no control of would kind of suck, and not really be a fantasy paradise realm at all.

 

[JarodRussell]

I think personal fantasies usually involve someone you know in your life, or someone you at least know of, like a famous person.


I'd think, just based on pure speculation, it would actually be kind of rare to fantasize about some random, made-up person.

The Nexus was more supposed to be a dream world. Fantasies are active, dreams are passive. Which is why Picard had an imaginary wife, and Kirk went from bedroom to stable (out of his control).

what? why would you assume that? Guinan tells Picard he has complete control over his "personal fantasy," when she says he can go back and see his children being born, or go forward and see his grandchildren.

And Kirk went to the stable because of his active wish to make the relationship with Antonia right from the beginning.


a fantasy paradise realm that you have no control of would kind of suck, and not really be a fantasy paradise realm at all.

Only when he saw that Christmas tree with the star explosion, the started lucid dreaming. He didn't have any control until Guinan told him that. He would have probably found out sooner or later, but he couldn't control anything in the beginning. Kirk couldn't control anything either, his subconscious sent him from one place and time to the next, leaving him slightly puzzled at every turn.

 

[sonak]

The Nexus was more supposed to be a dream world. Fantasies are active, dreams are passive. Which is why Picard had an imaginary wife, and Kirk went from bedroom to stable (out of his control).

what? why would you assume that? Guinan tells Picard he has complete control over his "personal fantasy," when she says he can go back and see his children being born, or go forward and see his grandchildren.

And Kirk went to the stable because of his active wish to make the relationship with Antonia right from the beginning.


a fantasy paradise realm that you have no control of would kind of suck, and not really be a fantasy paradise realm at all.

Only when he saw that Christmas tree with the star explosion, the started lucid dreaming. He didn't have any control until Guinan told him that. He would have probably found out sooner or later, but he couldn't control anything in the beginning. Kirk couldn't control anything either, his subconscious sent him from one place and time to the next, leaving him slightly puzzled at every turn.

oh, I see what you mean. Both Kirk and Picard were automatically transported into a fantasy, and at first didn't have control over it until they realized they were in the Nexus.


well, lucid dreaming within the Nexus seems much more fun than the other way.

 

[Therin of Andor]

well, lucid dreaming within the Nexus seems much more fun than the other way.

The novelization explores Kirk's discovery of his control a little. He replays a wedding sequence with Antonia, Carol, even Edith.

 

[T'Girl]

Source?

Can you cite a source that disputes it?

I love that, and may I occasional use it?

The scene with Troi could have worked, although it would have stolen pretty much Troi's only significant scene.

She still would have gotten to plow the ship into a freaking planet.

 

[Pauln6]

The scene with Troi could have worked, although it would have stolen pretty much Troi's only significant scene.

She still would have gotten to plow the ship into a freaking planet.

Oh yeah - I was forgetting that. She should have had a cigarette in one hand and a large vodka in the other while texting her mother.