While I won't debate that it looks nice, this was our introduction to the Enterprise-D on the big screen and this sequence plays it off like any other episode. That ship never got a proper big screen entrance.
Neil
Star Trek Generations at 20 (November 18, 1994)
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While I won't debate that it looks nice, this was our introduction to the Enterprise-D on the big screen and this sequence plays it off like any other episode. That ship never got a proper big screen entrance.
Neil
That's a fair point - I've argued on another thread that the Enterprise E got similar treatment in FC. I've always thought the scene in Generations was a little short, I would have loved to have seen more of it.
But then again I am a massive fan of The Motion Picture so I would say that...
I had previously assumed that Kirk's inclusion was something forced on the production team by the studio heads, frightened as they might be of TNG 'graduating' to the big screen and confusing audiences..... yes, I thought that, until someone on here corrected me that, no, the only requirements ever given to the producers were for a TNG movie. It being a "passing of the torch" was apparently Rick Berman's own idea (and a utterly misguided idea at that)
It was pathetic--and a failed attempt to not only "pass the torch" but bury any "threat" of fans' desire to see another TOS movie. Sci-fi is flexible enough that today's dead character is up and about the next, but Berman had an agenda, and it failed to pay off, or help the largely tepid TNG move series.
Well I don't think the movie needed a long scene of the Enterprise D in a drydock especially after seeing the Enterprise B in a simular type of scene.
I had previously assumed that Kirk's inclusion was something forced on the production team by the studio heads, frightened as they might be of TNG 'graduating' to the big screen and confusing audiences..... yes, I thought that, until someone on here corrected me that, no, the only requirements ever given to the producers were for a TNG movie. It being a "passing of the torch" was apparently Rick Berman's own idea (and a utterly misguided idea at that
It was pathetic--and a failed attempt to not only "pass the torch" but bury any "threat" of fans' desire to see another TOS movie. Sci-fi is flexible enough that today's dead character is up and about the next, but Berman had an agenda, and it failed to pay off, or help the largely tepid TNG move series.
You're not going to get any argument with me on that one. I wish Kirk hadn't appeared at all in it - especially after the nice neat satisfying ending of The Undiscovered Country.
It made me feel the same way I did about when Alien 3 crapped all over Aliens by killing Newt.
The mysterious "Antonia," who seemed to offer the most in terms of story content and motivation, where Kirk was concerned was all but overlooked in GENERATIONS. Considering how much pull she had over The Good Captain, we really should've gotten to know her at least a little better. As for the crash sequence in this movie, I really have to disagree on what a technical achievement it was and all of that. Fact is, it looked like one of those elaborate train sets some collectors have, where there are all of these tiny towns and little fake trees that populate their basements. In fact, had a toy train spun its way in mid-air and collided with the ENTERPRISE's saucer section, I really would not have been a bit surprised. I was that impressed with this sequence. But with STAR TREK, we fans must take the good with the bad, do we not? As fake as it looks, it still is elaborate and wasn't cheap, I can tell that. So, I give "them" an "A" for effort, anyway.
They're all truly great! I used to listen to the opening credits track of GEN on full blast on my boom box.The moment when the bottle crashes was killer!
Best crescendo in the entire Trek soundtrack catalogue!
That was a great one I'll agree. But I gotta go with the build up to trying to get the spacedoors open when the Enterprise is being stolen and the absolute amazing heroic crescendo, complete with kettle drums, that plays when Scotty's hotwiring of the doors does finally get them to open giving the Enterprise just enough room to clear.
It's also amazing the way once the Enterprise clears the doors Horner transitions into the main movie theme but in a more major tone that basically says "Ok we got the task of getting out of spacedock accomplished....now it's time to go kick some ass, and is also represented as the menacing Excelsior heading towards the Enterprise framed by the door opening.
I know Horner is known for Titanic and other stuff. But I think his Star Trek scores for II and III are his best stuff ever. Glory and Braveheart come in a close second.
I'm in total agreement about this one. Generations was the only Star Trek movie to be shot by John A. Alonzo, and he does some truly amazing, dynamic things with those sets.
It really hits hard just how flat and lifeless First Contact, Insurrection and Nemesis all look by comparison.
They're all truly great! I used to listen to the opening credits track of GEN on full blast on my boom box.
Best crescendo in the entire Trek soundtrack catalogue!
Love it! But for me, the best crescendo is the end of BOBW Part 1.
"Stealing the Enterprise" from the Star Trek III soundtrack is also one of my favorite tracks from any of the film scores over the decades. Not just the last-second opening of the monstrous Spacedock doors, but the triumphant escape of the Enterprise and the soft music that plays for a few moments as she's finally free of Spacedock and preparing for the jump to warp.
Even one of the worst of all the Trek movies - The Final Frontier - has a memorable and thrilling soundtrack and I so very deeply enjoy Jerry Goldsmith's loving work on the music for that film. That's one thing about Star Trek - even when the episode or movie sucks, the music is almost always worth listening to.
Even one of the worst of all the Trek movies - The Final Frontier - has a memorable and thrilling soundtrack and I so very deeply enjoy Jerry Goldsmith's loving work on the music for that film. That's one thing about Star Trek - even when the episode or movie sucks, the music is almost always worth listening to.
I watched it today on blu-ray. Stellar cartography looked stunning. They were originally going to go with something like the scene in Attack of The Clones when Obi
-Wan is showing the kids the star map and the stars are all around them, but what they actually did looks beautiful.. and totally holds up. The animation is second to none
-Wan is showing the kids the star map and the stars are all around them, but what they actually did looks beautiful.. and totally holds up. The animation is second to none
I loved Stellar cartography, I thought it was visually one of the highlights of the movie, compare it to the half arsed flat screen (with shit graphics) they had in Nemesis and you can see where the series lost it's way.
Quite simply one of my favourite scenes in the entire franchise, combined with one of my favourite pieces of music too. The bit of music that accompanies the overhead shot of the Enterprise backing out of space dock just after they clear the doors gives me goosebumps every time. A proper fist punching moment.
I'm in total agreement about this one. Generations was the only Star Trek movie to be shot by John A. Alonzo, and he does some truly amazing, dynamic things with those sets.
If only they'd have used him more. First Contact and Nemesis especially would have benefitted enormously.
For all I lay into it now (and I think out of all ten films it's the one that's gotten worse and worse with every viewing, it's the Quantum of Solace of Trek for me), I really enjoyed it at the cinema.
It was my second Trek at the pictures, the whole family went and we (and everyone else in the screening) had a great time, helped by the crowd being very up for it. I even recall becoming incredibly tense as Kirk's death approached.
Which just goes to show the 13 year old me of twenty years ago was a bloody idiot, and if I had a Nexus I'd go back and give him a slap.
It was my second Trek at the pictures, the whole family went and we (and everyone else in the screening) had a great time, helped by the crowd being very up for it. I even recall becoming incredibly tense as Kirk's death approached.
Which just goes to show the 13 year old me of twenty years ago was a bloody idiot, and if I had a Nexus I'd go back and give him a slap.
Yeah, I thought it looked pretty Thunderbirds-y; when the saucer started hitting stuff, the exploding dirt didn't scale well, and the whole thing seemed to skim like it had little weight to it. That said, with some of the stuff I've seen since, it doesn't seem that bad in comparison, I'll take ambitious practical/optical effects over bad CGI any day.
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