Star Trek Fundamentalism
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i like star trek full stop. enterprise annoyed me at times but have u ever heard of an off switch. if u don't like a series or episode don't watch. the series was based on the fact that the galaxy is different. that we should respect others no matter what the species. those differences make life interesting.so live with them or just don't watch, simple. i love reading other peoples opinions but i don't have to agree. we're not sheep but we don't have to be blustered at because we do or don't like things.i think we should agree to disagree and hope the franchise lives in one form or another as i like living in a world with trek.other sci-fi never really did it 4 me the way trek does
You're saying that until a completely inexperienced and unqualified fan is put in charge of Star Trek and given a chance to implement their preferences "no one has a right" to criticize the attitudes and vocal expectations of these people?
You're saying that?
That is beyond ridiculous.
You're right!
It's ridunculous!!
Yeah pretty much.
Plumster
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Found this - sound familiar?
Christian fundamentalists interpret the Bible as the inerrant, factual, and literal word of God. Though each of these terms can be argued as to what exactly the terms mean, it is in any case clear that fundamentalism rejects any modernist critical interpretation of the Bible. They reject most modern scientific findings in biology and geology, or at least greatly reinterpret them to "fit" their view of the Bible. Most believe, for example, that the world was created in seven 24 hour days simply because that is what the Genesis account says. Most fundamentalist also believe that the earth (and the universe) is no more than a few (less than ten) thousand years old based on the genealogies in the Bible. Any findings by science that seem to refute this argument are simply discarded and seen to be "obviously wrong" since it disagrees with the Bible. In other words, "if it disagrees with the Bible (the fundamentalist view of the Bible), then it is wrong and probably straight from Satan." It must be stated for the record that there are differing levels or versions of fundamentalist belief. Some fundamentalists, for example, believe that the Genesis account allows for so the called "day - age" interpretation, in which the days of creation are actually unknown periods of time. Even such "liberal" fundamentalists, however, believe that everything written about in the Bible is an accurate reporting of actual historical events.
Good grief - it could almost have been written for this site.
Oh No! I misspelled a word! All is lost, the world is coming to an end.
And I'm saying that I'll back up my claims by doing them. That is not a empty claim.
aragorn said:
I aim to please. I hope you aim too please.
I'm sorry, but I have to say it:
M-U-L-T-I - Q-U-O-T-E!!!
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I also have to point out that, after more than one recommendation that personal remarks be avoided, the thread has again been drifting too frequently in that direction. That needs to stop now, or the thread will be closed.
It's been an interesting and sometimes productive discussion so far, but it will not be allowed to devolve further into a snipe-fest.
It's on all of you.
Fandom loses some percentage to Fundamentalism with every new incarnation of Trek, it's nothing new.
Some of the new crop of disenfranchised will stubbornly stick around incessantly bitching their irrational cases and perhaps even sway some over to their side but their numbers will never be enough to make any difference to anything except the activity levels of message boards.
Others will be around for a while after the film premiers raking on it but they will eventually crawl away into their self-imposed prisons of bitterness never to be heard from again.
uniderth, you could really help your case by ceasing the evasion tactics and simply posting your miracle script and allowing the jury to decide.
Some of the new crop of disenfranchised will stubbornly stick around incessantly bitching their irrational cases and perhaps even sway some over to their side but their numbers will never be enough to make any difference to anything except the activity levels of message boards.
Others will be around for a while after the film premiers raking on it but they will eventually crawl away into their self-imposed prisons of bitterness never to be heard from again.
uniderth, you could really help your case by ceasing the evasion tactics and simply posting your miracle script and allowing the jury to decide.
This assume, of course, that one has read all the quotes before deciding to respond to each of them.
If one has not, then your suggestion is not helpful.
I had not.
Despite a dearth of speculation about Kara "Daniel" Thrace's phantom penis?
You're making a bigger deal over people who dislike the movie than they are making about the movie.
You've obviously got some deep rooted hatred for people who dislike what you like. I think you need to have a cry on somebody's shoulder and maybe then the fans that keep you awake at night as you mumble to yourself won't bother you as much? Get some fresh air? Wank? Something?
Plumster
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No dude - you are sooooo wrong.
I find the ruination of THEIR reality and self imposed pomposity over all things Trek simply hilarious. For too long, these pedants have robbed Trek of it's rightful place in the public eye. It's their shameful secret and their guilty pleasure, they made it niche and fucked it over.
Now it's going to be plastered all over Burger King - the irony is delicious if not the onion rings too.
Am I being mean spirited or saying what needs to be said? They have had this coming to them ever since Insurrection and Voyager violated ones sensibilities.
This is a catalyst for change, it might be good or it might be bad but what it does do is push the franchise in a new direction.
Now if you attempt to argue that this film would take less box office than something with the TNG cast in it if released at this time, then you expose you and your chums to hilarity and ridicule.
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This thread is fantastic!
Despite a dearth of speculation about Kara "Daniel" Thrace's phantom penis?
You can only have so much awesome. It is possible to overload the Internet, you know.
Leave it to Cogley to sum up in a sentence what many posters were no doubt thinking.
Personally, I'm good with the change. I say, let's give it a go - there is nothing left to lose. Because if this movie is not a success, there won't be any more Trek for ANYONE to bitch and moan about for a good while to come, if ever.
I've pretty much stayed away from spoilers as best as I was able, given that I'm a mod in this forum....but I know this: J.J. has proven with Lost that he knows what he's doing - he knows how to make quality entertainment, and he understands how to create excitement and drama.
Frankly, I can't think of anyone who, at this point, I'd rather have at the helm to try and revive the franchise.
He'll give it his best shot, and hopefully it will be a success. Canon violations or no canon violations.
The most important thing, at this point, is that this is a great movie that will keep those seats filled for weeks and weeks....and make craploads of money as a result.
Then we can talk about canon violations.
Because it will be only then that there will the hope of any new canon to violate.
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