Star Trek Fans & NY Yankee Fans (much in common)

[RAMA]

And I'm a trek fan and I saw the stadium for the first time before it was torn down!

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/ind...viewPicture&friendID=31765602&albumId=2335721

Obviously it hasn't been torn down yet...I mean I saw it before it closed.

 

[poundpuppy29]

Let's get into this why don't we I am a Red Sox fan but I do respect the Yankees

Amen, I am a lifelong Yankee fan and Trek Fan. Was at the last day game on Saturday and the old stadium will be missed, but like Trek, will be reborn in 2009. Go Yankees, and Live Long and Prosper!

Yes they will if the BASEBALL PEOPLE are in charge they will prosper but if the idiots who only go after stars regardless of at what point they are at their careers they are chasing waterfalls and not living up to the Yankee Legend

As a native Bostonian, the Yankee's are the Borg of the baseball world...pure evil, a group of superstars, not a TEAM. Every day they lose is a day that makes me smile, and the fact that they thought they need a new stadium is an absolute joke. There was no reason for it other then the fact that they could not stand that the Mets were gonna get a new stadium, and most of the publicity for the next couple of years.

GO SOX! On to the post-season!

Yes and No now they are a team of superstars but in late 90's they were a team but it is a joke that they needed a new stadium can say Luxury Boxes are real reason

Yeah, like the Sox wouldn't ditch Fenway Park in a frakking instant if there was another baseball team in the city to compete with?

In fact, there *were* plans to build a new Fenway, but I believe it was the Boston city council that put the kibosh on it.

As for Trek and the Yankees: I love 'em both! If the Yankees are the Borg, then resistance is indeed futile.

Ok right because the Boston Braves were so popular

Yeah, like the Sox wouldn't ditch Fenway Park in a frakking instant if there was another baseball team in the city to compete with?

In fact, there *were* plans to build a new Fenway, but I believe it was the Boston city council that put the kibosh on it.

Actually, the City wanted to have the park made. But the owners decided to keep Fenway as is.

This is true and I am glad

Eh, we took the 86 years of sucking too. But then at the end, we got the last laugh, while watching the greatest collapse in professional sports history.

Yeah, like the Sox wouldn't ditch Fenway Park in a frakking instant if there was another baseball team in the city to compete with?

Well seeing as how there were plans to build a New Fenway yes, but it never came to fruition partially because of the fan out cry.

Your post makes my point. It was not a practical, or business decision, that the Yankees decided they needed a new stadium, it was an ego trip. The precious Yankee ego (the same one that some of their fans have thinking that the postseason is their birthright, NOT THIS YEAR!) caused the team to spend over 1 Billion dollars that did not need to be spent on a brand new stadium, while relocating out a perfectly usable, and even as a Sox fan I say this, incredibly historical location that is much a part of the Yankees as the team itself is.

Augh, the thought of someone comparing something I love, Star Trek, to something I loathe with every fiber of my being is enough to make me gag.

again Luxury Boxes are evil evil I tell you. You are getting a new Stadium because the Really Really Rich people do not want to be in the same place as the common fan and there is going to less seats for the common fan. They even have their own entrances so they don't have to wait inline with you

lol, funny! But in all seriousness, even as a Yankee fan and season ticket holder, I wasn't completely in favor of a new Stadium across the street. It was so much fun watching Boston loose all those games over the last 40 years in our park. We'll just have to watch Boston lose some more over the next 100 years in the new ballpark.

We will see about that we have baseball people in charge now not buffoons. I hope that the Stadium won't be torn down because history should be presevered

lol, funny! But in all seriousness, even as a Yankee fan and season ticket holder, I wasn't completely in favor of a new Stadium across the street. It was so much fun watching Boston loose all those games over the last 40 years in our park. We'll just have to watch Boston lose some more over the next 100 years in the new ballpark.

It will be as funny while watching Hank "the bonehead" Steinbrenner make more stupid moves, spend more money, and still loose, while watching A Rod ground into a double plays in every clutch situation for the next nine years.

Meanwhile, a smart Sox ownership over the past few years have created a business model of drafting players, player development, and out of the box free agent signings that have made the team as successful as it's been, and has become the model baseball organization within the MLB.

The personification to me, of the current states of the two franchises, are their two second basemen.

Robinson Cano of the Yankees, all the talent in the world, has a pretty swing and quick hands, but had a lazy attitude and makes some bonehead moves while out on the field. Looks pretty on the surface, but has major holes.

Dustin Pedroia of the Red Sox, a guy who has one tenth of the talent of Cano, but hustles every play, takes every at bat as his last, and generally annoys the living shit out of the opposing teams and their fans. Oh yeah, and also is in the running for the batting title and the MVP. He is an ugly little bastard, but the man is a true baseball player, and gets the job done.

Its a new era, get used to it.

ITA with most of this the baseball people are not making the decisions in Yankee land and in the 2004 playoffs the Arod slap play tells me everything about Arod the game is not as important to him it is really all about him. Derek Jeter is a very good base runner and he could have advanced him to second base with less than 2 outs in a close game 4 to 2 I believe 6th inning but he was mad because he didn't get a hit.

Anxiously awaiting New York Yankees:The Next Generation

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Wow, bold words from a fan of a wild-card team, with a broke-down slugger and nobody to back him up. Enjoy your crow this year, and here's hoping that the Angels or the Dodgers (and Manny) kick your asses and you have to take a wicked-long plane ride home.

Tons of Yankees and Yankee fans have won and seen more World Series than Boston EVER HAS! In fact, Yogi and Jeter have more rings than BoSux world series apperances in 100 years.

In fact, in just the past 25 years, I HAVE SEEN more World Series wins than Boston, lol.

Well to talk about another sport the Celtics have more championships than the Knicks and Bill Russell has 11 rings but seriously since 2000 have the Yankees had the baseball people incharge no they had buffoons and it all about what have you done for me lately just because they were big doesn't mean they are now you can't take runs from the past nor can you get pitchers from before either.

I know I've had this discussion, but as a guy who used to root for the BoSox, right now, I don't see much difference between the Red Sox and the Yankees (aside from the fact that Boston is better at winning).

Yes because we have baseball people not buffoons now and you are right we are a big market team like the Yankees

All the big market teams are hell-bent on winning. The Steinbrenners put a ton of money (as did the NY taxpayer and ticket buyer) back into the team and we will have a beautiful new stadium that reminds us of the classic pre-renovated stadium and that will be fun to see. As far as winning, of course the Yankees underperformed this year, but they have a history and tradition of winning. Boston has a tradition and history of losing, and losing a lot, and being famous for losing. That's always fun.

Again the reason you are getting a new stadium is because of Luxury Boxes and that ilk and what mystifies me is you are not even getting a retractable roof have you learned nothing from the past hello the North East gets lots of rain every year

Boston always losing and the Yankees winning is sooo 20th century! here int he 21st century it is the other way around LOL!

The Red Sox and Fenway are more like Battlestar Galactica than Star Trek, there home may be old but they know how to fight!

so true

Oh really, the Red Sox have 7 World Series wins, and in the past 25 years, the Yankees have won four. 4 is more then 7...wow. If you are gonna insult us, then please get you numbers right.

I love listening to you Yankee fans. They were great once, not any longer. They are an old and decaying team, the holdovers of a great young team in the late 90's, and now they can't stand that they have been passed by. Sorry, but now the saying holds true, the Yankee's suck. They are a team of aging superstars, hell they aren't even a team anymore, they are a group of
mercenaries who can't get it done. Have fun watching A Rod break a bunch of personal records for the next ten years, while the rest of the team won't do shit.

I won't eat crow this year, because I haven't predicted how the Sox will do. They may get swept out of the first round, they may win it all, but the point is they are at least there. Im sure Jeter (one of the Yankees I do respect, along with Mo Rivera and Mussina) will have fun golfing this winter.

Have fun looking up at the Sox, Rays, and even Toronto (if they ever get their shit together) for the next few years.

I agree with some of this I respect Jeter, Rivera, Posada, Bernie Williams, Pettitete and Mussina

Well I would compare the Sox now to the late 90's Yankees, who were great teams, who knew how to win.
8 Home Grown players, a few trades, only two real big free agents, and some trades.
And people forget. They do not have the second highest payroll anymore, they have the fourth far behind the Yankees, and behind the Mets and Tigers.

Yep, this year the Yankees won't be in the playoffs, and that's a shame. I like how you have 'respect' for some of the players. I respect all ballplayers, they move from team to team so often that it's childish to hold grudges. Johnny Damon has been a fun Yankee player for the past few years.

Well I loved Johnny but he made his name here Boston is a big market team and he rose to star level I like his game and work ethic but he didn't realize that the Boston New York Feud is not something you can play on both sides and expect not to get booed all the other players who went to other teams got standing ovations when they came back even Pedro who went to the Mets but the Red Sox Yankee rivalry is the biggest in sports he is not above it.

I'm an equal opportunity Red Sox and Yankees hater, so maybe I don't know what it's like to build my life around a sports team and be so delusional think I'm part of them. When my favorite teams lose, it sucks, and then they win it's fun, but it has no bearing on my life.

That is a true fan is take the good with the bad

I have never been so insulted in my life. I am a Met fan. I can't stand the Yankess. I am also a Trekkie.

I was rooting for you in 2000

I hear ya, of course this whole 'argument' is childish, but I'm just sticking up for the team I root for. There are millions of sports fans around this world that 'live and die' if a team wins or loses, it is not logical (or mature), but it is often true

I know they can ruin it for us mature fans

I have to take offense with this thread. I am a loyal Florida Marlins fan, and I will always remember my team celebrating their World Series Championship in Yankee Stadium in 2003. I also don't like the Yankees.

Yes thank you I was happy when they did

A Yankee fan telling a Sox fan to be humble?
Im sorry, but there are some Yankee's I don't respect, A-Rod, Joba Chamberlain, the former Yankee Gary Sheffield, I don't respect them. That is to say if I ever met them I wouldn't be rude to them or something, but I feel that some of their on and off field antics are deplorable.

And have fun with Damon, he was a good player with us, and that Grand Slam I will never forget. We have done fine without him.

And you are saying not to be childish. I see you are the one calling the Red Sox, the Red Sux, very adult.

But anyway, enough of the Red Sox/ Yankee battles:

Back to Trek.

lol you can take offense all you want. Congrats on winning in 2003. The Yankees had their 'world series moment' in 2003 dispatching the Sux with a great come back win and a magical homer from Aaron Bleeping Boone

I celebrated that homer in The Beantown Pub in the belly of the Boston beast, where I was for work, watching Sux fans up close take it in the nads. When that home run went out to left field, the Yankee fans celebrated and the beer flowed.

Ok Tom, back to Trek. I respect your fan loyalty and our mutual love of Star Trek.

All I will say is Mark Bellhorn and Derek Lowe in 2004

Yep, and they went to the World Series and lost to the great Josh Beckett and the Florida Marlins.

The next the year the Yankees pulled off the greatest collapse in sports history. I watched, I laughed and I cried. It was worth the wait.

I would recommend a great book called "The Last Night of the Yankee Dynasty" by Buster Olney. It's a great read.

I was so happy too

As a Dodgers and Tigers fan, I usually hate the Yankees. Next season I will hate them again... but today, hat off and head bowed out of respect for Yankee Stadium, its storied history and the legends enshrined there.

I agree it is a historic place

All the big market teams are hell-bent on winning. The Steinbrenners put a ton of money (as did the NY taxpayer and ticket buyer) back into the team and we will have a beautiful new stadium that reminds us of the classic pre-renovated stadium and that will be fun to see. As far as winning, of course the Yankees underperformed this year, but they have a history and tradition of winning. Boston has a tradition and history of losing, and losing a lot, and being famous for losing. That's always fun.

22 Stars:

Hey, fellow Yankee fan here, life-long, even though it's hard to root for them this year because of their lousy season. I guess we're having a taste of what Boston went through for 86 years, LOL! All I know is I'll be rooting for whoever Boston plays for the pennant.

Let me be clear: I'm not a huge fan of the city of Boston, let alone their overrated team. There was never a curse, just bad management. The long-time owner of the Red Sox, Tom Yawkey, was a redneck jackass. He refused to hire black ballplayers for the longest time. In fact, the Bosox were the last major league baseball team to hire black ballplayers after Jackie Robinson was hired from the old Negro League. That in and of itself explains Boston's long-time losing ways -- failure to flex with the times. Now that they're doling out more money, like the Yankees, is the only way they can win -- by imitating a real great team!

Another pathetic sign: Some years ago, when the Patriots won the Super Bowl for the first time in years, did the fans exult in that victory and chant for the Patriots? Nope, the rowdy, foolish fans started chanting, "Yankees suck!" over and over again. How pitiful, that sports fans from that area measure all their successes against how much they hate the Yankees. Pitiful!

Now, as for individual players, there are plenty of Yankees over the years I've disliked, even when they were contributing, like Roger Clemons and Randy Johnson. The Bosox players I most hated were Pedro Martinez (except when he said the Yankees were his Daddy!) and Manny Ramirez, two big troublemakers. Well, they're now the headaches of the Mets and Dodgers, respectively.

And one last thing I'd like to say to the Red Sox fans: Got rings? The Yankees have 26!

Red Ranger

The Celtics have 17 how many do the Knicks have again

Actually, it *was* a business decision. It's pure, unvarnished competition, is what it is. Ego might have entered into it at some point, but in the end, it's all about getting people in seats. And if the Mets get a new ballpark (which is long overdue, since Shea Stadium really kind of sucks), then the Yankees must get one too, since that's how you compete.
Someday, your dynasty will end as well. You can count on that. Nobody lives forever, and no team always wins.

And let me be clear, I have on occasion rooted for the Sox. It was last year in the ALCS, because they were playing the Indians (who had just beaten the Yankees in the division championship) and I found it difficult to suddenly turn around and root for the team I had just been rooting against. It was much easier for me to overlook some stupid fucking macho bullshit 'rivalry' that really doesn't mean anything in the larger scheme of things (hell, even Rudy Giuliani has been known to cheer for the Sox on occasion).

This is true every thing has cycles but I disagree with you about the stadium
Yes when he was trying to get NH voters to vote for him Hillary Clinton said neither the Cubs nor the Yankees were in it so she wasn't rooting

How is it competition? Shea Stadium is not a great ballpark, it's a cookie cutter piece of crap, they needed a new stadium. The Yankees had a great stadium, with history and tradition, and would have been completely fine for many years. You think that if the Met's got a new park, and the Yankee's didn't, all of a sudden attendance would drop for the Yankees and they would loose money? No way, in any way shape or form. Who fills up Yankee stadium? Yankee's fans. It's not like they would all say, lets go to CitiField because it's brand new. They would still make money. It's still one of the largest, if not the largest capacity parks in the majors. It's not like they needed more seating.

The fact is the Yankee's did not need a new park. I honestly think that if the Mets were not getting a new park, the Yankees would be in Yankee stadium for years to come. The draw of Yankee Stadium is it's history and tradition, and that is now all lost I believe, just replaced with a copy.

I agree with you about Yankee Stadium and let me say Luxury boxes are evil

No jealousy at all, NONE, despite what you Yankee fans may think. I am a Red Sox fan, but I am also a Baseball fan, I appreciate the tradition and history that comes with Yankee stadium, and it's sad they are throwing it all away for a few bucks.

And I can always tell when one is just a Yankee fan, and not a baseball fan, when they say that Fenway Park is a dump. If one is a true baseball fan, one recognizes the value and significance of places such as Fenway, Wrigley, and Yankee stadium, the three most significant ballparks in the Majors.

I'll keep Fenway thank you. You guys can have your billion dollar copy. The only way Fenway will get replaced is when it has to be.

ITA 100%

ok back to Trek talk

 

[Tom Servo]

The Red Sox are the Dominion.

I can definitely see Kevin Youkilis as a Jem'Hadar.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

The Red Sox are the Dominion.

I can definitely see Kevin Youkilis as a Jem'Hadar.

Especially the manic way he grits his teeth all the time, like he's about ready to snap and just rip somebody's head off.

And I'm a trek fan and I saw the stadium for the first time before it was torn down!

http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/ind...viewPicture&friendID=31765602&albumId=2335721

Obviously it hasn't been torn down yet...I mean I saw it before it closed.

It won't be dismantled for a couple of months yet. Last home game, the announcers said that the formal closing ceremony would be in November. Don't know what exactly this will entail, or even if we (the public) will get to see it.

As for retractable roofs: Those don't always work. Only a few ballparks have them. Target Field - the new Twins ballpark - was supposed to have one, but they dropped it from the earlier plans. If the new Yankee Stadium (and Citi Field) will not have such a roof, I'm sure there's a good reason or few...

...such as cost (retractable roofs are expensive), and the fact that many teams & fans don't particularly care for the kind of sterile, climate-controlled atmosphere that would result in a park with a roof on it. Tropicana Field, for example. But then again, the roof is only one small part of why that park is a fucking dump.

 

[Turtletrekker]

Let's get into this why don't we I am a Red Sox fan but I do respect the Yankees <snip>

Now here's a guy who knows how to use the multi-quote feature.

 

[poundpuppy29]

Let's get into this why don't we I am a Red Sox fan but I do respect the Yankees <snip>

Now here's a guy who knows how to use the multi-quote feature.

I am a girl and I had to edit it because I had to many characters so there was more

 

[22 Stars]

^wow, that was one crazy post, but I admire your tenacity. not in your boston love, but the abuse of the quotes, lol.

 

[Balthier the Great]

Maybe, but I think up until Trek XI (and the results of XI are yet to be seen) trek fans remind me of Cubs fans.

trekfans -- Always think the show currently on the air is the best ever.
cubsfans -- Start every season believing with all their hearts, souls and minds that this year the cubbies will make it to the World Series.

trekfans -- show drops in the ratings. It's bermanga's fault.
cubsfans -- the team is mathematically eliminated from the playoffs. Because some guy wasn't allowed to bring a goat into the stadium.

trekfans -- eagerly pitch ideas for series 6,7, 8, 9, & 10. All of which will be smash hits. Especially the one where the ship is run entirely by tribbles.
cubsfans -- eagerly pass the offseason argueing about what what trades will make the cubbies a sure thing for the series next year.

trekfans -- think the next movie is going to suck donkey balls. Buy 5 movie tickets just to be sure.
cubsfans -- think that next season will be just like the last one. pay $500 for season tickets just to be sure.

Balthier -- Cards fan.

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

^ Interesting Trek/Cubs comparison. So does that mean Zambrano is Worf?

Me, I'm a Cards fan too, but even I hope the Cubbies get a chance. Like I said, I don't buy into rivalries.

Obviously it hasn't been torn down yet...I mean I saw it before it closed.

And you called the subway the "L". That is a bit telling, I think.

 

[elric428]

Yep, just like I said...

Boldly Going Where No Stadium Has Gone Before

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/11/12/sports/baseball/12yankees.html?_r=1&ref=baseball

 

[Mr. Laser Beam]

You are getting a new Stadium because the Really Really Rich people do not want to be in the same place as the common fan and there is going to less seats for the common fan.

Okay, I'll give you that, a fair amount of motivation for this mad frenzy of ballpark building *is* more luxury boxes. (Still think it's mostly the rush to get rid of old, crappy cookie cutters though. )

They even have their own entrances so they don't have to wait inline with you

Where did you get that idea?