star trek discovery uniforms, costumes, and clothing

[fireproof78]

That is usually what happens when part of a greater franchise. You will always be compared, for good and ill, to what came before. It is especially tough to grade Discovery on its own merits when they decided to plop it eight years (in-universe) before one of the most iconic series in American TV history.

It might be tough but, for me, that doesn't make it not worth doing. I want to appreciate Discovery on its own merits, just like I tried to with TNG (even though I hated it for not being like TOS for the longest time). It takes time and a lot of effort to take things on as they are, rather than playing the comparison game.

 

[Jesse1066]

That's complete bullshit, get a chance and look at the negative from TOS and it was clear it was photographed as green, but through the inconsistent form of NTSC; a standard for US airwaves Kirk's tunic appeared yellow or worse a mustard color, never looked gold. This gold nonsense metastasize on episodes of Deep Space Nine.

Gold, yellow, mustard, what's the difference? Plynch's point was that the green command uniforms came out more yellow than green on TV and you called bullshit over extremely subtle color definitions.

 

[DEWLine]

There's a specific branch of Starfleet that's supposed to be in charge of uniform design rules, right? Same as with the uniformed services of our various home countries?

 

[XCV330]

There's a specific branch of Starfleet that's supposed to be in charge of uniform design rules, right? Same as with the uniformed services of our various home countries?

they took a 70 year break during the Monster Maroons era

 

[plynch]

Gold, yellow, mustard, what's the difference? Plynch's point was that the green command uniforms came out more yellow than green on TV and you called bullshit over extremely subtle color definitions.

1. I doubt I'm ever gonna get the chance to see a negative of TOS from the Paramount vaults to verify that TOS command velour photgraphed green. So I am skeptical. There are some eps, especially iirc in real sunlight on location where they come out somewhat greener. But velour is funky, with its nap. I think it depended more on lighting than on NTSC.
2. But whatever, it still bugs me that they didn't fix it early on, esp. with wraparound and dress unis being very green. The S3 polyesters come through as greener, though.
3. In the grand scheme it really doesn't bug me all that much. Be well. (OH - look at my avatar -- that's a publicity photo, not NTSC, and it looks almost brown.)

 

[Jesse1066]

1. I doubt I'm ever gonna get the chance to see a negative of TOS from the Paramount vaults to verify that TOS command velour photgraphed green. So I am skeptical. There are some eps, especially iirc in real sunlight on location where they come out somewhat greener. But velour is funky, with its nap. I think it depended more on lighting than on NTSC.
2. But whatever, it still bugs me that they didn't fix it early on, esp. with wraparound and dress unis being very green. The S3 polyesters come through as greener, though.
3. In the grand scheme it really doesn't bug me all that much. Be well. (OH - look at my avatar -- that's a publicity photo, not NTSC, and it looks almost brown.)

I think I speak for most people when I say I really don't care what color they were. Somewhere in the yellow-avocado spectrum. I do prefer the season 3 uniforms though.

 

[Nerys Myk]

the yellow-avocado spectrum

My favorite jam band.

 

[Locutus of Bored]

Gold, yellow, mustard, what's the difference? Plynch's point was that the green command uniforms came out more yellow than green on TV and you called bullshit over extremely subtle color definitions.

3. In the grand scheme it really doesn't bug me all that much. Be well. (OH - look at my avatar -- that's a publicity photo, not NTSC, and it looks almost brown.)

You two have no idea what you've just wandered into the middle of. This is serious bidness. Like, put it in your sig level seriousness.

 

[Kemaiku]

Archers wrap around in Season 4 was very much green so it's canon.

 

[Tuskin38]

Archers wrap around in Season 4 was very much green so it's canon.

Kirk's Wrap Around looked green in TOS as well

 

[Kemaiku]

Kirk's Wrap Around looked green in TOS as well

I know. But I've seen a few here insist green was a mistake and it was always meant to be yellow.

 

[Tuskin38]

Aren't they talking about the duty uniform?

 

[CorporalClegg]

This argument becomes increasingly silly the more one realizes one's perception of color is as subjective and idiosyncratic as any thing in the human experience.

 

[Kemaiku]

Aren't they talking about the duty uniform?

I'm not even sure.

This argument becomes increasingly silly the more one realizes one's perception of color is as subjective and idiosyncratic as any thing in the human experience.

I know. All I take away from it is that TOS had a slightly dress down (but still official) uniform for more off duty hours. Everyone else had to wear those uncomfortable uniforms all day apparently.

 

[Tuskin38]

Star Trek Online devs talked about this once.

They try to recreate things how they appeared on the screen (where possible), not how they appeared in real life on the set, because on the screen is how most people remember them.

 

[BillJ]

Everyone else had to wear those uncomfortable uniforms all day apparently.

Pike's crew wore beachwear!

 

[Nerys Myk]

What's uncomfortable about a jumper and slacks?

 

[plynch]

I fully know what I've waded into. It's settled. They were greenish chartreuse in real life, a definitely mid-60s color (as was the gray blue and the slightly carmine red). I've seen an S3 under museum quality white light, it was definitely greenish.

Yet the original velour photographed -- or perhaps only appeared on NTSC coded TV -- as gold. My issue is ...

I wish Theiss woulda re-dyed (he dyed the material himself, he said) so the velour would have turned out green onscreen. The show was on a shoestring, I suppose cloth is expensive, and tailoring, what not, so they stood pat with the incredible shrinking tunics.

So it goes.

 

[Nerys Myk]

The show was on a shoestring,

It has a healthy budget. Pretty high actually. Though I've no idea how much of that was allotted to costumes.

 

[Tuskin38]

Well the fabric the DSC uniforms are made from was shipped from Switzerland