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Star Trek Discovery Season 4 episode Ratings

Numbers are awesome! I crave data. Whenever I watch an episode I like to compare my own opinion against online ratings to see whether I'm in sync or way off.

I like to have a picture of where other people stand, and sometimes their words alone aren't enough to paint it for me. Like for all the negativity in the Disco episode threads, the numbers actually haven't dropped all that much.
 
Numbers and stats would be interesting if there were some controls in place. A standard to compare the data to.......as it is anyone can make the numbers mean anything or manipulate them, so I put no faith in any of them that are publically available.
 
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You don’t have a standard, but it’s easy to see trends. And both here and on IMDB the ratings have dropped, even if the baselines are different.
 
Well I just finished catching up on this seasons Episodes, and I have to agree with the ratings, this season was terrible, I really don't need to know so much about cast character feelings (I actually looked at the screen a couple times after a long touchy feely seen that went into another one and just said "Oh Come On"), this is really getting stupid. Season 2 and 3 grabbed me and pulled me in but season 4 has really pushed me back away and I will have to really think about watching any more of this fecal matter, which is a shame as I love Star Trek
 
I'm not much of a believer in online ratings as they get horribly distorted by people with agendas.

Maybe I'm wrong on this but just looking with the naked eye it seems to me that there are a lot less ratings of Disco being done here on BBS and episode threads seem to be generating about 30% less pages and I think that's a much bigger story. Some of that is down to the trolls and various "ists" getting bored or banned but it also seems to show that Disco isn't convincing new viewers or holding onto the on the fence ones.

Another big factor is Paramount+ or whatever method you have to watch comes nowhere near Netflix for easy access.
 
I'm not much of a believer in online ratings as they get horribly distorted by people with agendas.

Maybe I'm wrong on this but just looking with the naked eye it seems to me that there are a lot less ratings of Disco being done here on BBS and episode threads seem to be generating about 30% less pages and I think that's a much bigger story. Some of that is down to the trolls and various "ists" getting bored or banned but it also seems to show that Disco isn't convincing new viewers or holding onto the on the fence ones.

Another big factor is Paramount+ or whatever method you have to watch comes nowhere near Netflix for easy access.
I think there's less activity in the threads because all the regulars basically know what each other is going to say and all the major arguments about the show have been resolved.

"Should Discovery be a prequel?" Resolved. It's not.
"Burnham should be Captain!" She's captain.
"What's Georgiou still doing here?" She's gone.
"Tilly's so over the top!" Whether she's here or not, people warmed up to her.
"They have too much / too little LGBTQIA representation!" It's been settled that this a corner for LGBTQIA.
"They killed off Culber! It's Bury Your Gays!" On a related note, Culber's back and now a favorite.
"Too much with the Klingons!" Not a Klingon in sight for two seasons.
"Slow the fuck down!" Sure not hearing that complaint these days. It's the opposite.

I could go on, but I'll stop there. The point is, what fueled a lot of these threads were arguements about what the show was doing. Now it's just "Pick up the pace!" "Stop talking about feelings so much!" I find that not too interesting to argue about. I'll say something about it, and give a counter-argument, but I'm not going to go on and on about it for pages and pages if someone else wants to. This isn't exactly The Great Debate.

As far as DSC episodes being rated lower, I think a lot of people watching DSC aren't the target audience. That's why I've told them for years to stop watching. If they don't like it by now, they're not going to.

With all these new Star Trek shows, Discovery is no longer trying to be a Star Trek show for all Trekkies. I don't think it was ever trying to be that, but now I think they've doubled down on it. So you have people who think "This show isn't geared towards me, this doesn't feel like my Star Trek, and there's not really anything I'm interested in seeing here!" and of course it's going to be rated low by these people.

A lot of people on here have said that one day the people bashing DSC now will love the show or at least like it a little bit more. Saying they'll say, "At least Discovery was better than what's out now!" I used to think that too, but now I no longer believe that to be true.

I think DSC has found and will continue to find an audience that will accept the show for what it is, but it's just not going to be the people determined to bash it. When DSC is done, the bashers who bash it every week will completely forget about the show and move on to the next thing. I don't think they'll look back to DSC or revise their opinion of it because the show inherently isn't made for them. DSC is made for a different type of Trekkie. Not a newer or older type, but a different type than what a lot of people see themselves as.

Every new series after DSC has been something that tries to rope back in the people Disco repelled. So I'm not really expecting another Star Trek series like Discovery, once it's done. But I'm completely fine with that. I know that eventually Kurtzman Trek will lose me, just like Berman Trek did. I know that's where it'll eventually end up. And they'll have a shit-ton of various Star Trek shows of various quality. But, at the end of the day, no matter what else they do, I already have the Star Trek show I want. And I look at it like this: I got what I want and that's a better place to be than people who didn't get anything they want. So I'm happy to call it quits after DSC if comes to that.
 
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I'm not much of a believer in online ratings as they get horribly distorted by people with agendas.

Maybe I'm wrong on this but just looking with the naked eye it seems to me that there are a lot less ratings of Disco being done here on BBS and episode threads seem to be generating about 30% less pages and I think that's a much bigger story. Some of that is down to the trolls and various "ists" getting bored or banned but it also seems to show that Disco isn't convincing new viewers or holding onto the on the fence ones.

Another big factor is Paramount+ or whatever method you have to watch comes nowhere near Netflix for easy access.
I noticed that too. Difficult to say if this is because the show is now in a mature fourth year, and a drop in viewers for a mature show that didn’t get to become mainstream is quite normal, or if it’s because many viewers are loosing interest due to all the stalling this season.

A lot of people on here have said that one day the people bashing DSC now will love the show or at least like it a little bit more. Saying they'll say, "At least Discovery was better than what's out now!" I used to think that too, but now I no longer believe that to be true.
this never made sense to me: it’s not as if the people that didn’t like enterprise, or voyager, or DS9 generally changed their minds, simply they have zero interest in discussing a show that has been off the air for decades, so you no longer usually meet them online.
 
this never made sense to me: it’s not as if the people that didn’t like enterprise, or voyager, or DS9 generally changed their minds, simply they have zero interest in discussing a show that has been off the air for decades, so you no longer usually meet them online.
I think with DS9, VOY, and ENT, the people who've come around to those shows (partially or fully) are people who were "in the middle". Critical but not hateful. I fall into this category with VOY and ENT.

But with the people who were hateful of those shows, in retrospect, I don't think they ever came around.

What we haven't done is look back at who exactly it was who was doing the coming around, and how strongly they felt before. That's very telling of how the perception of current Trek series will change or won't change over time.
 
It’s also worth pointing out that DS9, voyager and enterprise had a weak start but improved a lot in the later seasons (well, voyager sort of, my feel was that it had a so so start and improved a bit, but anyway), so many people initially disliked them but liked later seasons.

Discovery has been very uneven for me so far…the first two seasons were a mess due to the revolving door of shoe runners, the third imho was mostly pretty good and I have no clue on why the fourth has been so lacklustre.
 
I have no way to confirm this but I wonder if the various pandemic restrictions impacted time on set and people's availability? Basically, the writers had no way of knowing who would be available when, which as I type sounds ridiculous. But, there seems to be something going on BTS that is impacting production.
 
It’s also worth pointing out that DS9, voyager and enterprise had a weak start but improved a lot in the later seasons (well, voyager sort of, my feel was that it had a so so start and improved a bit, but anyway), so many people initially disliked them but liked later seasons.

Discovery has been very uneven for me so far…the first two seasons were a mess due to the revolving door of shoe runners, the third imho was mostly pretty good and I have no clue on why the fourth has been so lacklustre.

There was plenty of good will from the rational fans who didn't like Disco thanks to Star Treks season 3 rule. I didn't really like early TNG, DS9 or VOY (never liked ENT) as I was a I-VI movie guy to start with but warmed to all of them and TNG and DS9 became some of my favourite ever shows.

There has been no season 3 bounce for Disco in my eyes and if anything it's either doubled down on what I see as the shows problems or at least failed to learn from them.
 
Here's a quick chart for all the people who do like data, or just want some reassurance that the series they love isn't entirely despised by everyone.

I took the numbers from the Trek BBS episode polls, threw them into a spreadsheet, and this is what came out. I can't claim that I know what I'm doing exactly, but this should give an indication of how much the people here on these forums have enjoyed each season.

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I left in the huge empty space in the bottom half to make it obvious how high up the chart these scores are.
 
Here's a quick chart for all the people who do like data, or just want some reassurance that the series they love isn't entirely despised by everyone.

I took the numbers from the Trek BBS episode polls, threw them into a spreadsheet, and this is what came out. I can't claim that I know what I'm doing exactly, but this should give an indication of how much the people here on these forums have enjoyed each season.

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I left in the huge empty space in the bottom half to make it obvious how high up the chart these scores are.
Is this the average score for each episode ?
If so i'de go back to my earlier point that it's not the ratings but the numbers reviewing. It's held steady around 8 but that only tells part of the story.

Great work all the same. I don't mean to sound like I am pissing on the effort you put in.
 
Yeah it's the average score. I didn't check the total people reviewing each episode, but I'm sure you're probably right about it falling over time.
 
I have no way to confirm this but I wonder if the various pandemic restrictions impacted time on set and people's availability? Basically, the writers had no way of knowing who would be available when, which as I type sounds ridiculous. But, there seems to be something going on BTS that is impacting production.

This doesn’t seem to impact other shows, so no. I’ve been in several TV productions since the pandemic started, was lucky enough that none had to shit down due to someone important suddenly catching covid, but all in all it works like before, mostly with A LOT of additional health safety measures in place.

There was plenty of good will from the rational fans who didn't like Disco thanks to Star Treks season 3 rule. I didn't really like early TNG, DS9 or VOY (never liked ENT) as I was a I-VI movie guy to start with but warmed to all of them and TNG and DS9 became some of my favourite ever shows.

There has been no season 3 bounce for Disco in my eyes and if anything it's either doubled down on what I see as the shows problems or at least failed to learn from them.
I liked season 3. :beer:

Here's a quick chart for all the people who do like data, or just want some reassurance that the series they love isn't entirely despised by everyone.

I took the numbers from the Trek BBS episode polls, threw them into a spreadsheet, and this is what came out. I can't claim that I know what I'm doing exactly, but this should give an indication of how much the people here on these forums have enjoyed each season.

xxv6GZv.png


I left in the huge empty space in the bottom half to make it obvious how high up the chart these scores are.
interesting, thanks. As mentioned, a slight drop, but yes, without taking in account the people who just left and stopped voting this makes sense only to a point.
 
Yes, that meeting was great abs it was great that Osyra suddenly wasn’t that bidimensional anymore. to be more specific, I liked MOST of season 3, not ALL of it. In particular I despised the dumb, rushed ending episode, where osyraa reverts to 2d and very little makes sense.
 
Here's a quick chart for all the people who do like data, or just want some reassurance that the series they love isn't entirely despised by everyone.

I took the numbers from the Trek BBS episode polls, threw them into a spreadsheet, and this is what came out. I can't claim that I know what I'm doing exactly, but this should give an indication of how much the people here on these forums have enjoyed each season.

xxv6GZv.png


I left in the huge empty space in the bottom half to make it obvious how high up the chart these scores are.

Thanks for these charts, very interesting. some of the high/low episodes surprise me. For first season I expected the “Into the Forest” episode to be the highest rated as that was the high point of the season, not the first mirror episode. And 3rd season “Sukal” was a weird good episode, not deserving of being lowest rated.
 
Thanks for these charts, very interesting. some of the high/low episodes surprise me. For first season I expected the “Into the Forest” episode to be the highest rated as that was the high point of the season, not the first mirror episode. And 3rd season “Sukal” was a weird good episode, not deserving of being lowest rated.

I think Despite Yourself really doesn't stand out much in retrospect because the four-episode MU arc is the most heavily serialized Discovery ever was, and how the MU arc ultimately ended was so underwhelming.

Basically, people gave it high ratings due to the promise that the episode teased - promise it didn't live up to.
 
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