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Star Trek Discovery Leaving Netflix For Paramount+ Internationally, season 4 global launch in 2022

I think that for ViacomCBS the season four of Discovery is not really a priority in this thing. They are launching the new service sometime in the early spring for rest of Europe and counting on the Strange New Worlds as the main draw for Star Trek/scifi-people.

But SNW and DSC are very much linked together, so they would prefer to have it all on the same service. And whatever deal they had with Netflix clashed with that idea. So instead of keeping DSC on Netflix they decided to piss off fans of the old series and trust that those fans will still flock to the new service once SNW is released.

And we don't even know what happens with Picard. It may be that the season 2 of Picard is pulled from Amazon. Lets just hope that they make that deal earlier than few days before the premiere.
 
Why is everyone assuming it's only Paramount that's to blame here? Netflix is not some disinterested non-profit. They may have made demands about the license that Paramount couldn't accept...

Netflix was very slow to take up the option on the first four "Short Treks" when it was offered to them. Finally, they debuted the four episodes all at once, 24 hours because DSC Season Two's premiere, and buried them in "Trailers & More" and no promotion, meaning that many fans were left confused when crucial elements from two of the "Short Treks" turned up in the DSC season finale.

We anticipated the next batch of "Short Treks" (except "Children of Mars", which linked in to Amazon Prime's "Picard") to turn up 24 hours before Season Three, but nope. They never did.

I understand why people are upset about the suddenness here. I just don't get why they expect all companies to give their content to a competitor...

Well, because the there was a longterm contract with Netflix. Paramount supposedly bought it back at great expense. I guess the number crunchers at Paramount felt that it was important to do an outside-US/Canada exclusive, simultaneous release.
 
But there will be no simultaneous release. There will probably be at least 4 release dates; even in Europe some countries will have to wait longer than others.

Well, a controlled, rolling release maybe? But if that was the case, why not start here in Australia? Right now? We already have Paramount+. (It morphed from the local TEN All Access, to CBS All Access after the local network was bought out, to Paramount+.) It's where "Prodigy" commenced for Aussies a few weeks ago!

I guess they are using a carrot-and-stick strategy to bring as many international Paramount+ set-ups online as efficiently as possible.
 
I'm both relieved and disappointed.

I was obviously looking forward to the new season, but have become increasingly resentful of the streaming model provided by Netflix and (to some extent) Amazon. Namely subscribing to masses of content that you have absolutely no interest in, purely in order to get one or two shows that you don't want to miss (with the proviso that at least Amazon gets you priority delivery).

Reluctantly subscribing to Disney+ when it launched, I've found myself getting way more value from it, with the Marvel and Star Wars content, and I've even watched a couple of films.

For me it will all come down to P+ having enough Trek content to make it worthwhile. Taking Discovery, Picard and SNW as representing their basic live action output model, yes, I think three shows per year may well be enough.

I hate Lower Decks and haven't seen Prodigy, but if there's any other Paramount content I'm interested in, that would be a bonus.
 
Well, a controlled, rolling release maybe? But if that was the case, why not start here in Australia? Right now? We already have Paramount+. (It morphed from the local TEN All Access, to CBS All Access after the local network was bought out, to Paramount+.) It's where "Prodigy" commenced for Aussies a few weeks ago!

I guess they are using a carrot-and-stick strategy to bring as many international Paramount+ set-ups online as efficiently as possible.
I also volunteer my Finnish Paramount+ account for a rolling release trial. I would also like to have Prodigy there please.


It’s been said that season 2 of Picard and 3 of LD will be on Prime. Prime must have a different deal on those shows
Said where? Everyone was saying that DSC was going to be on Netflix until the last minute.
 
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I also volunteer my Finnish Paramount+ account for a rolling release trial. I would also like to have Prodigy there please.



Said where? Everyone was saying that DSC was going to be on Netflix until the last minute.
Said here. Some user said they tweeted out that Picard and Lower Decks are still Prime exclusives for a few more years
 
It’s been said that season 2 of Picard and 3 of LD will be on Prime. Prime must have a different deal on those shows
Not necessarily. For all we know they could have a very similar contract.

We don't know Netflix and CBS, contracts terms. It might have a set number of years before a separation can be requested or initiated. If that is the case, its possible the one with Amazon could as well. But since those deals were initiated years later, then it would delay any possible separation. The separation terms could also require agreement by both parties. And there are certainly reasons why Netflix and Amazon might have different reasons on agreeing or refusing a separation. For example you might have a separation agreement that stipulates how much its going to cost, but still give the other party the right to opt out of it, or delay it for an already agreed upon period before it took effect.

For 10 years I worked as an accountant for a California farming company. It entered into an agreement with two other companies to develop the commodity that would be called "Cuties" (Clementines, hybrids of navels and mandarins). And while there, one of the parties initiated separation terms. These are far, far smaller companies (though the deal was in the tens of millions), and there were a host of various conditions. You had to give two full quarters notice to initiate separation. You could request a full buy out (which had to be approved by the other two parties), you could request separations of assets but keeping your share of the trademarks, and you could request the other parties buy you out. While obviously owners and controllers were aware of the situations, and probably discussed it with others, the staff wasn't allowed to speak to anyone outside of the engaged parties (we even had to sign new non disclosure forms during the process). And each of the two parties had up to the last two weeks, to give the sign off or deny the terms, which then took it down a different path for separation). The party that wanted out, requested to keep the rights to the trademark (so all three companies could still grow, produce and market the product under the name "Cuties"). That was rejected, they went through the various other subsections of the separation agreement, finally getting one that was agreed by all three parties, and it was signed and official about 2 weeks before the end of those two quarters.

This impacted lots of suppliers, and venders, staffing agencies, and company employees. And most got about 5 days of actual notice. And that's with a process that was designed to be covered in a period no longer than 6 month. That other company now uses the name "Halos' for their product.

I could not even hazard a guess on how easy or difficult this process is for significantly larger companies.
 
I'm both relieved and disappointed.

I was obviously looking forward to the new season, but have become increasingly resentful of the streaming model provided by Netflix and (to some extent) Amazon. Namely subscribing to masses of content that you have absolutely no interest in, purely in order to get one or two shows that you don't want to miss (with the proviso that at least Amazon gets you priority delivery).

Reluctantly subscribing to Disney+ when it launched, I've found myself getting way more value from it, with the Marvel and Star Wars content, and I've even watched a couple of films.

For me it will all come down to P+ having enough Trek content to make it worthwhile. Taking Discovery, Picard and SNW as representing their basic live action output model, yes, I think three shows per year may well be enough.

I hate Lower Decks and haven't seen Prodigy, but if there's any other Paramount content I'm interested in, that would be a bonus.
I'm feeling the same, I'm paying for a bunch of subscriptions for a handful of shows I actually watch. If it wasn't for the other family members who use my Netflix account, I'd probably scrap the whole thing. Just had an email about renewing Disney+, which now costs £20 more than last year. They can fuck off.

I have had a bit of a re-evaluation over the last year, and have made sure I have the stuff I actually value on physical media. I've even got back into CDs for the music I really like. I still have Spotify for convenience but when I've been stuck at home there's no substitute for actually picking an album off the shelf and actively listening to it.
 
But SNW and DSC are very much linked together,
is it now though, with discovery being 900 years in the future of SNW? I guess some of the characters left in the 23rd century might show up in SBNW but I don’t think the two series will have much contact from now on.
 
Jeez, say what you will about DSCO, but the National Amusements/ViacomCBS megacorp (still thinking it's 1996) pulled a real fucking scumbag move in the past 48 hours to fuel their commitment to the streaming service arms race that could easily backfire, when it's become a saturated market already dominated by Netflix/Amazon/Disney (and maybe Netflix got cocky after getting bolstered by Squid Game's surprise monster success).
 
The launch map on Wikipedia looks absolutely disgusting.

The entire MEA region as well as South & Southeast Asia is missing completely, as well as Greece, Cyprus, Turkey and Iceland, not to mention the totally insignificant little markets of Japan, Korea and New Zealand. China maybe I can understand, but this? What business considerations justify launching the service in Belarus of all places but not New Zealand or South Korea?
Well since I am not versed in those countries, versus others I couldn't say with any authority. But I do know various regions have different laws impacting media rollout (one commonly mentioned is that some require so much of their product to be regional productions, how much so I have no idea). And then you could also have issues with any contracts in various markets that haven''t come to term (and I have no idea I any of that applies)

And besides those two things, there are a couple other big issue for Paramount +.

For Paramount their two biggest drivers for subscribers are Sports and Star Trek. We of course are focusing on Trek. But another factor to consider with expansion (especially with less resources then something like when Netflix officially expanded), is does Paramount currently have licenses signed up for Sports that have some interest in those markets its opening up to. That will be a very significant boost to being able to even get an initial toe hold in new markets.

Then the final thing is Viacom/CBS (whatever the company is called now) is going to have a pretty good idea on where their properties (shows, specials, sports, events, films) perform well and where they perform worse. They are also going to know which properties are tied up in contracts that they can't get out of (either for contractual length or buy out penalty). I would assume that part of their roll out plan would have to factor in these four things. And they would have far, far, far more knowledge about it than any of us would.
 
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