Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 5x10 - "Life, Itself"

[Quantum21]

I'd forgotten that the Bluray set has some great, heartfelt documentaries for Discovery season 5 and for closure of the whole series. It really makes you aware of the growth in the characters paralleling the episode where the crew time travel.

The final story is one of the great endings of Star Trek. This episode both answers questions and leaves things open, it feels incredibly appropriate. The 38 min doc covers the thought process behind the Progenitors, and mirrored my desire to see more of them. It's gratifying to see the planning put into it.

It doesn't minimize the Progenitors to make them caretakers...one of possibly a line of beings who felt the need to create companions in the universe, and the conclusion there's no need for it anymore is very Trek! As an atheist, my view is not a supernatural one, but leaving a big question unanswered is acceptable to me.

Rod Roddenberry says the finale is pure Star Trek in this doc, and it truly is. Trek's best final series episode

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I'd forgotten that the Bluray set has some great, heartfelt documentaries for Discovery season 5 and for closure of the whole series. It really makes you aware of the growth in the characters paralleling the episode where the crew time travel.

The final story is one of the great endings of Star Trek. This episode both answers questions and leaves things open, it feels incredibly appropriate. The 38 min doc covers the thought process behind the Progenitors, and mirrored my desire to see more of them. It's gratifying to see the planning put into it.

It doesn't minimize the Progenitors to make them caretakers...one of possibly a line of beings who felt the need to create companions in the universe, and the conclusion there's no need for it anymore is very Trek! As an atheist, my view is not a supernatural one, but leaving a big question unanswered is acceptable to me.

Rod Roddenberry says the finale is pure Star Trek in this doc, and it truly is. Trek's best final series episode

I should have gotten the Blu-ray set instead got the DVD version as it was cheaper

 

[JLA]

Is nothing in nature infinite?

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I was going to say there is a really good behind the scenes thing on the season 3 set that highlighted how they had to do filming during covid and the demands / restrictions that played into what they could do.

 

[Detached Nacelle]

I'm not ashamed to say the epilogue made me cry. A lot.

I never would have thought after a very bad season 1 that I could have fallen in love so hard with the show but seasons 2-5 had the magic for me. I'm so happy Academy is set in 32c as I just wasn't ready to say goodbye.

The Calypso stuff is a bit confusing, I would like to know why in the 3230s we had to wait for another thousand years. There's a very big story there that we've only heard such tiny snippets of.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

I'm not ashamed to say the epilogue made me cry. A lot.

I never would have thought after a very bad season 1 that I could have fallen in love so hard with the show but seasons 2-5 had the magic for me. I'm so happy Academy is set in 32c as I just wasn't ready to say goodbye.

The Calypso stuff is a bit confusing, I would like to know why in the 3230s we had to wait for another thousand years. There's a very big story there that we've only heard such tiny snippets of.

I'm not ashamed to say I like the whole of Discovery from start to end...... It was a fun ride and one day I may watch it again

 

[Firebird]

The Calypso stuff is a bit confusing, I would like to know why in the 3230s we had to wait for another thousand years. There's a very big story there that we've only heard such tiny snippets of.

There is no additional story. It's all there in the standalone Short Trek, which didn't need any elaboration, that the show decided to pointlessly retcon at the last second.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

There is no additional story. It's all there in the standalone Short Trek, which didn't need any elaboration, that the show decided to pointlessly retcon at the last second.

Yes but the story of that Short Trek is a larger story, I think that would have made for a better movie than Section 31

 

[Tuskin38]

There is no additional story. It's all there in the standalone Short Trek, which didn't need any elaboration, that the show decided to pointlessly retcon at the last second.

The Calypso stuff is a bit confusing, I would like to know why in the 3230s we had to wait for another thousand years. There's a very big story there that we've only heard such tiny snippets of.

The original plan was for season 6 to explore it, but since the show was cancelled they just did what ever that epilogue was.

Probably would have been better with a full season of build up.

 

[Gingerbread Demon]

Yeah I keep thinking that now, that the Calypso story would have been a much better movie idea than Section 31.

Is there anything known on what the actual story of all that might have been?

 

[Happy Hopping]

I finished off watching the entire DVD series the 2nd time. How does Agent Daniels lives all these centuries? And where is his "office" exactly when Captain Burnham meet him. He has a bottle of wine, I assume it's from Picard Vineyard and other collector's items. So his office has to be a physical office, not a hologram office.

 

[Tuskin38]

How does Agent Daniels lives all these centuries?

He was born sometime in the 31st century and the future seasons of Discovery take place from 3188 to 3191. M-A says he was born circa 3050 but I'm pretty sure they're just taking that directly from Daniels line saying he's from 900 years in the future in 'Cold Front'.

He could be anywhere from 188/191 to 130-140 or even younger. He's also not fully Human.

McCoy was around 140 in TNG Season 1, and he was full human as far as we know. Now add another 800 years of medical advancements.

And where is his "office" exactly when Captain Burnham meet him.

Fed HQ most likely.

 

[Kraig]

I finished off watching the entire DVD series the 2nd time. How does Agent Daniels lives all these centuries? And where is his "office" exactly when Captain Burnham meet him. He has a bottle of wine, I assume it's from Picard Vineyard and other collector's items. So his office has to be a physical office, not a hologram office.

Being a Temporal Agent from the 31st century (he kept his equipment with him on Enterprise in his crew locker that is bigger on the inside, like the TARDIS), he probably also has a time machine to get from century to century, as needed to protect the timeline.

 

[Happy Hopping]

then it doesn't make sense. In Star Trek: Enterprise, he shows up as Agent Daniel and talk to Captain Archer, I vaguely recall that he did tell Archer he's from the 31st century. And at the time, he's around 30+ yr. old. So if he's back to his own 31st century, then how did he age that much?

 

[Turtletrekker]

He's only mostly human.

 

[The Wormhole]

then it doesn't make sense. In Star Trek: Enterprise, he shows up as Agent Daniel and talk to Captain Archer, I vaguely recall that he did tell Archer he's from the 31st century. And at the time, he's around 30+ yr. old. So if he's back to his own 31st century, then how did he age that much?

Disco takes place in the 32nd century. Over a hundred years have gone by since the 31st century he said he was from in Enterprise.

 

[Kraig]

then it doesn't make sense. In Star Trek: Enterprise, he shows up as Agent Daniel and talk to Captain Archer, I vaguely recall that he did tell Archer he's from the 31st century. And at the time, he's around 30+ yr. old. So if he's back to his own 31st century, then how did he age that much?

If you spend time in different timelines, your age progresses during the time you are on assignment. The Agent Daniel you see in the 31st century isn't necessarily the same one you see from Enterprise, the day after he left Enterprise. He could have had many assignments in different timelines in between, and aged during those assignments, also timelines can change and cause changed outcomes.