Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x13 - "That Hope Is You, Part 2"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Jan 6, 2021.

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Rate the episode...

  1. 10 - Excellent!

    24.1%
  2. 9

    16.9%
  3. 8

    18.8%
  4. 7

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  5. 6

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  6. 5

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  7. 4

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  8. 3

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  9. 2

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  10. 1 - Terrible!

    9.2%
  1. SAndrews10

    SAndrews10 Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Poor Rachael Ancheril. She got promoted to regular for season 3. Got written out after episode 5 after being in what 3 of those? So what was the point?
     
  2. Lord Garth

    Lord Garth Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Sorry, I just have to take a moment...

    '90s-era Lord Garth NEVER thought he'd read a sentence like that online.

    It's official. I'm "old" now.
     
  3. Hades Temperature Checker

    Hades Temperature Checker Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Things change.
    Welcome to the new lol
     
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  4. The Return of Zombie Cheerleader

    The Return of Zombie Cheerleader Moar Nu Trek Pleeze Premium Member

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    A better paycheck.
     
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  5. Tuskin38

    Tuskin38 Admiral Admiral

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    Probably so they wouldn't follow.
     
  6. GothicPudding

    GothicPudding Ensign Red Shirt

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    One possibility: Discovery was about to be recaptured, shields failing, with no guarantee that the spore drive would work. So, blowing up the warp core ensures that The Chain wouldn’t get the drive.

    Another possibility: Burnham seemed to believe that the “pesticides” threatened earlier would be harmful to the pursuing ships, so blowing up the Viridian would prevent casualties on the Federation/Ni’Var ships when they caught up with the Viridian.

    Or: Burnham realized there weren’t enough explosions yet in this season finale so she created a big one.
     
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  7. Ghouleddie74

    Ghouleddie74 Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    You're not yet: "Had to watch TNG on televisions that had rabbit ears" old. :p
     
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  8. Hades Temperature Checker

    Hades Temperature Checker Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    As Picard would put it, "Insurance."
     
  9. Mirror Tuvix

    Mirror Tuvix Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Jammer's Reviews, Jamahl Epsicokhan:

    This is an episode that cements that this season is barely about anything it seemed to be when it started. The season started as "Rebuild the Fallen Federation!" (The poster art had Burnham holding a tattered Federation flag on a barren planet.) But then a few episodes later, in "Die Trying" it became "Rediscover the Current Diminished Federation!" Now, at the end of the season, it's "Kill Osyraa!" The season gradually went from potentially grand to painfully reductive and unambitious.

    Meanwhile, we have the whole arc with the Burn, which suffers from taking a subject of galactic import and making it about one guy's unwitting sci-fi properties and emotional problems. If the message of the Burn is supposed to be "shit happens" — even on a cataclysmic galactic scale because of some random child — then ... mission accomplished, I guess? But that, again, feels reductive and unambitious for such a big mystery. Hell, making Ni'Var be the cause of the Burn, as the Vulcans believed, because of scientific experiments gone bad would've at least offered some sort of lesson about caution or responsibility or fallibility or some such. Here, there's nothing anyone could've done to prevent such a concocted freak occurrence, so I guess all those people died and societies collapsed so we could learn the universe can just blow up whenever because of whatever. Um, yay?

    ...It's ironic that Discovery, the most serialized of all the Trek series, is one that somehow fails to lay enough groundwork for itself to make sense. Narrative gaps abound, year after year, and it feels like the writers spend time on the wrong things rather than things that might help its main narrative work better...

    1.5 Stars
     
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  10. Lord Garth

    Lord Garth Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Oh, he's got the review up? Interesting, it's the first DSC episode he gave below two stars.

    I'm gonna read this. Is he abandoning the series at this point? If not, I think it's only a matter of time before he stops reviewing it.

    EDIT: At least he admits his bias. Quoting directly from Jammer himself, "My wife liked this episode, and thought it did all the necessary things, which made me think that maybe this show is better for newer Trek audience members versus the fuddy-duddies in the audience like me who bring all their baggage and feel a need to compare it to the glory days."

    Jammer, as much as I respect you, sorry but: No shit.
     
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  11. Jerikka Dawn

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    Very beginning of DIS, it was unquestionably described as a computer processing power problem -- Discovery's computer wasn't fast enough for more than very short jumps. The Tardigrade/Tardigrade DNA was a workaround.

    After 930 years of computing improvements (hell, after 100 years of advances in computing, including isolinear processors and bioneural circuitry by the 24th century, two major paradigm shifts, three if you count moving to multitronics, that were multiple orders of magnitude more performant than the previous tech), there should literally be no need for a DNA enhanced pilot to navigate federation space, even during TNG time.
     
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  12. Hades Temperature Checker

    Hades Temperature Checker Fleet Admiral Admiral

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    Which means there is some other barrier.
     
  13. NCC-73515

    NCC-73515 Rear Admiral Rear Admiral

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    And it's easier to move just a nacelle out of the way instead of the whole ship
    The first ship using that tech should be the USS Rayman XD

    And why didn't Spock grow one hell of a beard and scalp hair all the way to the ground? XD
     
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  14. kirk55555

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    Holy fuck, so a magic child got sad and magically disabled all the dilithium (they call him psychic or something, but its fucking magic)? This is literally the worst fucking thing in the franchise's history. Nothing in the franchise has ever been this stupid of badly written, Threshold looks like Best of Both Worlds compared to this utter bullshit.

    How fucking brain dead are the writers? Who thought that this was in any way acceptable? Its so horrible its actually hilarious. This is so stupid its hard to not just laugh. Fuck Discovery and everyone who works on it in a writing/producing capacity, they are truly the dumbest assholes to have ever worked on an official ST project, and considering how bad Berman/Braga got, thats an impressive achievement.

    I'm definitely dropping this shit now, no more giving episodes a chance. I'll stick with Picard and Lower Decks, and maybe hope that a competent writer sneaks their way onto the Captain Pike show, because I did like STD season 2 a lot, and really wanted a Pike show after it.
     
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  15. Lord Garth

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    There were a few I left out. Had to leave it at 10.

    There's one in particular -- I'm not going to say which one it is! -- that I left out that I couldn't believe I left out, after I thought about it. Then I realized I'll have another chance to bring it up again when I do one for TVH.

    When I'm done with all of these, I'll have all the first four movies, TOS, TAS, and TNG. It'll be fun. But the TOS one will be the trickiest to pull off.
     
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  16. NCC-73515

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    Only beaten by blinking holograms into crashing XD
    Two insanities in one season!
     
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  17. F. King Daniel

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    Because fuck those guys.
     
  18. TIM Thomason

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    It was really nice of Burnham to order Discovery to transport all the Regulators to the ship she was about to blow up, instead of, you know, to the brig or something. Gotta keep that murder count high.
     
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  19. Llywela

    Llywela Commander Red Shirt

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    The other characters are not main cast, that's why they aren't as developed. The bridge crew are supporting characters only.

    Then again, I'm a fairly casual watcher and I've still managed to learn all their names, so...
     
  20. Angry Fanboy

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    Fuck it. They got what they deserved.

    Better to just kick them off the ship there and then than keep them onboard and risk them causing problems at a vital moment.