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Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x10 - "Terra Firma, Part 2"

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Ah yes, the renowned scientific plausibility of episodes like Rascals, Genesis, Threshold and co, not to mention the array of godlike beings.

All of those episodes happened after Rodenberry died.
As for Q... well, the entity BOASTED about being 'god-like' but Picard never fell for that... and neither did most other Starfleet officers, because to them, the Q had near-infinite amount of power (at least from the perspective of the Federation), and that could have easily been due to technological capability that is (for now) outside the scope of Federation understanding... mind you, the Federation is also doing a lot of whacky stuff with science similar to the Q, just on a much smaller scale.
 
I'm leaning towards what others have said: "Terra Firma" was like "Tapestry". Like Picard, Georgiou was given a chance to show how she'd do things differently if she had to do it all over again. So I'm inclined to think the Mirror Universe Past she was sent to wasn't real.

If anything, I think "Terra Firma" was like a cross between It's a Wonderful Life and A Christmas Carol. I almost wish it aired on Christmas Eve, but I wouldn't want to deal with some of the more unpleasant people in a thread like this on that day.

Definitely not “real time travel”. Fits into the same bucket as “...All Good Things” too, where Picard’s actions in the past had no impact on the present.

Among the background bridge crew? I knew none of their names until Pike did a literal role call.


No. I didn’t say anything about the “background bridge crew.”

Because that’s precisely what they were.
 
Certainly didn't like it at the time, but then he got the gig making the Blu-ray extras. He's also miraculously reappraised Voyager.

You can guarantee he was one of those early-TNG haters who discussed how lame Picard was on newsgroups.

I wouldn’t give him a job reappraising used station wagons
 
Dunno if anyone has mentioned this yet, but Georgiou's temporal sickness harks back to TOS: All Our Yesterdays. In it, a people had escaped an ice age by building a time machine and moving 3000 years in the past. Their cell structure and brain patterns needed to be altered to survive the time displacement. The Enterprise crew, who did the jump without the preparation, were going to die in a matter of hours.
The Discovery's jump was shorter so the rest of the crew can (apparently) adapt, but the Emperor had the added burden of being from another universe.

Ah so that is terrific Disco didn't violate sacred canon which some fans seem to venerate so bloody much. .... I love Disco
 
I loved that they used the original TOS voice with some augmentation when Carl said "I am the Guardian of Foreverrrrrr".

Legit great Star Trek moment. Also underscores how weird it is Star Trek never returned to the Guardian of Forever, one of the biggest stories in all of Trek, before now.
 
Ah so that is terrific Disco didn't violate sacred canon which some fans seem to venerate so bloody much. .... I love Disco
Some Trek fans just have short memories. the Berman era didn't really even have a "sacred canon" until variously, Season 6 of TNG, Season 3 of DS9, and Season 3 of Voyager (all of which, obviously were different years). TNG played it fast and loose with how big the Federation was, what the political status of local space was, how powerful and fast ships were for almost the entire thing. DS9 decided to get specific about defining fundamental characteristics of its fictional universe only exactly when it needed to - in the run up to the Dominion War. And Voyager pretty much ignored everything and was a strange show until it came across the Borg. In every case, the canon was respected when it serviced the story.

When TNG was on the air, until it really, really established itself, it actively ignored what came before. Heck for most of the first season, it wasn't clear what year it took place (a lot of Trek fans at the time thought the 2310s, literally a generation after Star Trek IV). It tried to be a re-invention by design because the idea of respecting canon wasn't really invented yet, as multi-generational franchises didn't really even exist then.

I think the original intent of Disco, particularly under Bryan Fuller, was to basically do the same thing and create a TNG Season 1 revamp of Star Trek that played it loose with what came before, but this time by explicit design. Star Trek ships looking radically different, having those uniforms, the Klingons, the sets was exactly the same distance really that TNG Season 1 was from TOS Season 3. And all the same, many TOS fans thought the same about TNG. Command wearing red? Ridiculous. The Captain not beaming down but the first officer instead? Terrible. Who the heck are the Ferengi, where were the Vulcans, and why do Romulan ships look like that?

I was not a fan of much of Discovery Season 1 because I felt it was messy, overdramatic and the ties Spock weird. I liked the revamp in Season 2 very much, but really Season 3 is the start of the "real" show as far as I'm concerned. And it's so strange, that I looked forward to Star Trek Picard so much, and now, I can't wait to see what happens next on Discovery far more. I'm interested in the sunset of the 24th century story, but being I want to know so much more about the 32nd Century now. Discovery really saved itself by running far away from the old canon and writing new entries. I think what sold that to me more than anything was Unification III and "Ni'var", which I think is one of Trek's best episodes since TNG.

And when Season 2 was on, I like many people thought a Captain Pike Enterprise show would be far better to watch than Discovery. And now we're getting that. And while I'm still interested, last year, I looked at it as a replacement for Discovery. This year, I want to watch that, but I want to learn more about what is in store for the 32nd century and Discovery and its cast.

It's really one of the biggest show turn arounds I've ever seen. But I think it'll never escape the problems of Season 1 and parts of Season 2 because people are just so toxic now. Strange New Worlds is going to step all over canon, but it'll probably get more leeway by virture of just not having some aggravating factors from the get go that stained Discovery.
 
Just out of curiosity, couldn’t Burnham go back into the gigantic database they have and simply look for her?

If they wanted, the Guardian did give them a clue on where to start to look. The Starfleet database should know where the divergence began since the Intendant told Kira how the Empire fell.
 
He may reappear in Part 2 after his grand tour of remaining friendly planets on his extended vacation after 40 years of patient, dedicated service
 
I was not a fan of much of Discovery Season 1 because I felt it was messy, overdramatic and the ties Spock weird. I liked the revamp in Season 2 very much, but really Season 3 is the start of the "real" show as far as I'm concerned.

I've had a very similar reaction. I think the premise for the show was a good one, but the execution was pretty far off the mark, and we may never know why it turned out the way it did in season 1.

I do feel the show runners and writers deserve a lot of credit for figuring out how to take the show from where it was in season 1 and coming up with a way to get it to be where it needed to be in season 3. I've felt pretty critical of the show for many reasons, but I'm really impressed at that obviously deliberate transformation and how they basically plotted the change over the course of 14 episodes.

I'd love to hear from the people directly involved on why the show started under the guise it did in season 1 (as a TOS prequel) despite so clearly needing/wanting/yearning to be what it became in season 3. The design choices - technology, art, language, attitudes - all fit with a show set in the future of what we've seen of Star Trek, and not in the past. I imagine there were many arguments about this over the years.

The other thing I have to keep reminding myself of is how a "season" of a modern show like Discovery has about half the number of episodes of any of the previous Trek shows. In terms of the audience and writers getting to know the characters and the actors getting into their roles and gelling with each other, we're really only about part way into the second season of a show like TNG, DS9, etc. Taking that into account, the transformation has been particularly startling.

Now if we can just get them to throw out their 900-year-old uniforms...
 
It must be a real new timeline he created just to test her, cause he said the Kelpiens would continue to help others

It raises an interesting philosophical question. If there are an infinite number of possibilities/timelines/realities that all branch out based on different possibilities (like TNG “Parallels” illustrates) is there really such a thing as “real” time travel?

I just melted my brain.
 
It raises an interesting philosophical question. If there are an infinite number of possibilities/timelines/realities that all branch out based on different possibilities (like TNG “Parallels” illustrates) is there really such a thing as “real” time travel?

I just melted my brain.

Yeah, Instead, it should be called universe hopping.*

*Kinda like bar hopping except that you replace the bars by universes.:D
 
Speaking of uniforms.
I don’t think that Discovery will adopt the current 32nd century Starfleet uniforms.
I rather think, that the inevitable paradigm shift that is coming, will lead to a whole new Starfleet era.
And we all know Starfleet likes to introduce entirely new uniforms to reflect that change.
It stands to reason, that those new threads will take some design cues from Discovery’s unis, but blend them with modern design style and materials.
 
Wait until SNW premieres. Anson Mount will be a heretic and an insult to the original Pike. Also, Ethan Peck will probably smell like something bad and his pointed ears will be too sharp or not sharp enough for his tastes.
And wait till they do the "Section 31" crossover episodes...:crazy::whistle:;)
 
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