Spoilers Star Trek: Discovery 3x10 - "Terra Firma, Part 2"

Discussion in 'Star Trek: Discovery' started by Commander Richard, Dec 16, 2020.

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  1. 10 -Excellent!

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  2. 9

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  3. 8

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  4. 7

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  1. dinzy

    dinzy Commander Red Shirt

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    It was basically a 9 or so until they didn't give me anything. But now I think it was better not to give the hint and will be pissed when the reveal it during the lead up to the s31 premiere, so they deserve to lose 7 pts
     
  2. DigificWriter

    DigificWriter Vice Admiral Admiral

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    The writers didn't 'ruin' Lorca's character because having him be from the Mirror Universe was the plan from the moment the character was created.
     
  3. Gingerbread Demon

    Gingerbread Demon Admiral Premium Member

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    I like Section 31 I want a series of Space Nikita
     
  4. JirinPanthosa

    JirinPanthosa Admiral Admiral

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    Before they revealed he was from MU, he was a person in the Star Trek universe who believed given the magnitude of the threat the ends justified the means. It was interesting and subversive and made you really think about classical Roddenberrian morality.

    Then it turned out, all of that was nonsense and you can only be morally grey if you're from the crazy beard universe and Lorca was just a beardie guy twirling his invisible mustache to overthrow the cartoon evil empress. Boo.
     
  5. fireproof78

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    I mean, reading fan reactions I would say the expectation is that Federation is morally good no matter what. Less shades of gray, more black and white.
     
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  6. Krog

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    You folks really think CBS would be churning a new series a year if they weren’t attracting new viewers...? You need a lesson in basic economics if so.
     
  7. DigificWriter

    DigificWriter Vice Admiral Admiral

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    This is false.

    Revealing Lorca to be from the Mirror Universe wasn't some arbitrary decision that the writers decided on out of the blue. It was a planned, slow build narrative decision that was seeded from the moment we first met the character in "Context is for Kings".

    IOW, Gabriel Lorca was never going to be anything other than a character from the Mirror Universe.
     
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  8. fireproof78

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    No, I think they are attracting new viewers. I think they will continue to play it safe in order to not risk either old or new.
     
  9. Jadeb

    Jadeb Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    I don’t think there’s a way for us to know if they’re really bringing in significant numbers of new viewers or if the play is to keep Trekkies subscribed all year long.

    I don’t question that Trek is the most valuable tentpole for All Access. Clearly, it’s a revenue driver for a service that doesn’t have much else. But do I get the sense that these shows are having a big cultural impact outside the existing fan community? Not really.

    That’s not meant as a swipe at any of the All Access Trek shows. It’s just a function of how competitive the streaming landscape is.
     
  10. Odo

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    It was a good episode, but I admit, the Guardian reveal being spoiled for me lessened my enjoyment just a tad bit. I like that they mentioned Denobulans (first mention outside of ENT I think).

    Imagine if they set it post Mirror, Mirror and had Georgiou working to bring about Mirror Spock (Peck)'s vision!
     
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  11. jackoverfull

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    true, but I think it’s pretty obvious that the series are profitable, otherwise they wouldn’t keep renewing them and adding spinoffs.
     
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  12. TimeIsAPredator

    TimeIsAPredator Fleet Captain Fleet Captain

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    Add to that Tyler's big reveal and for me they really ruined 2 very good characters with very interesting stories
     
  13. Discofan

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    Yes, that's one thing that we can be sure of.


    Rule of acquisition number one: Entertainment without profit is no entertainment at all.:lol:
     
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  14. TrekE

    TrekE Lieutenant Junior Grade Red Shirt

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    A solid send off for Georgiu.

    Disco episodes tend to be well acted and well produced, with good music and special effects, and this one was no different.

    I gave the episode a mediocre score because of the story. I’ve always disliked the mirror universe episodes. I didn’t like it when DS9 would do one every season and I still don’t like them now. The insistence on using the mirror universe plot lines was part of the reason I was so lukewarm on this series for the first couple of seasons. This third season has been better until now. Maybe now with Phillipa gone, we’re done with the MU as a plot point??? One can only hope.
     
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  15. AresB

    AresB Lieutenant Commander Red Shirt

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    Thanks for the corrections, I should have read the episode recap more carefully. :bolian:
     
  16. ananta

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    Given that the original idea was to have Georgiou and Michael baking an apple pie together, I think we’re lucky they decided to go with the MU again!
     
  17. Gingerbread Demon

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    There's a fan theory going around the there was never a Georgiou in the prime universe and the one we see at the start of season 1 before she is killed is the same Georgiou we all know as she was sent back in time to a point before the series to set stuff in motion.
     
  18. eschaton

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    I really wanted the second half of Discovery's first season to be the "Sliders on a Starship" concept. The idea of a ship lost in time traveling through parallel universes in long form is something Trek hasn't done before, and would open up many new storytelling options.

    I was also tremendously let down once they figured out that the spore drive was also a working time machine (since they accidentally jumped forward in time when returning to Prime) that they didn't try and jump back prior to the Battle of the Binary Stars. Or really, ever attempt time travel with the drive again. I dunno if the writers were idiots and didn't even think of the idea, or they just realized a working time machine ruins just about every scenario they could think of.
     
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  19. Vger23

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    It would be cool if something like this were true. I don’t know how you’d make it work though. She’d have to start at the academy as a much younger person.
     
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  20. eschaton

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    This is demonstrably false.

    It is true that by the time Jason Issacs was hired he knew the ultimate origin of his character. But it's clear that Fuller did not intend for Lorca to be from the MU.